thanx for the figures SC and Alex...so im essentially looking at around 10-12k for my conversion. its a bit more than i anticipated but its still a significant saving if im going to train in Canada. i understand the quality of training over here is well recognized but i can only squeeze so much outta me folks and the rest is going to be coming out from a loan so i havent really got a choice other than to train somewhere else and do a conversion. the canadian one is costing me approx 22k in pounds including accomodation using typical flying hours which i can just bout afford for now. thanx again guys