Hour Building (Australia)
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Hello ...
Just a quick question for those in the know.
With regard to building twin time in Australia, apparently if I go down there with a JAA PPL they can then issue me with an Australian special licence.
Can I then do an OZ ME rating and build twin hours that will count toward a JAA ATPL(frozen)/IR later on.
I'm thinking of doing a 100hrs with a friend on a trip of a lifetime type thing but still want it to count toward my ATPL, otherwise might have to re-think.
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Just a quick question for those in the know.
With regard to building twin time in Australia, apparently if I go down there with a JAA PPL they can then issue me with an Australian special licence.
Can I then do an OZ ME rating and build twin hours that will count toward a JAA ATPL(frozen)/IR later on.
I'm thinking of doing a 100hrs with a friend on a trip of a lifetime type thing but still want it to count toward my ATPL, otherwise might have to re-think.
Cheers
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Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but you could contact someone at CASA who are the governing body in Australia.
www.casa.gov.au
Good luck.
www.casa.gov.au
Good luck.
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The answer is yes you can, I don't think they are dishing out the Special Pilot Licences so much now, but you can do the same on a Certificate of Validation, which will allow you to fly day VFR private ops on your overseas licence. CASA will issue these when they sight your logbook, licence and medical. They last for three months or when your medical runs out whichever is first, but you can renew them.
Here there is no multi engine rating, instead you train for an initial twin endorsement on one type, which you can have issued here and use with your certificate of validation, and can then add other types of twin endorsements to it.
So come on down and build your hours and have a great trip at the same time!
(BTW moderator, I'm not advertising as I don't have any twins!)
Here there is no multi engine rating, instead you train for an initial twin endorsement on one type, which you can have issued here and use with your certificate of validation, and can then add other types of twin endorsements to it.
So come on down and build your hours and have a great trip at the same time!
(BTW moderator, I'm not advertising as I don't have any twins!)
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CASA office at Bankstown gave me a Special Licence for A$50 within the hour. And I think that was only cos the guy who signs them was out for lunch. Valid indefinitely as long as your UK PPL stays current. Similar offices at Moorabin etc too - check their web site.
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Hour building, possibly in Oz
Hi all,
I will shortly be embarking on the hour building road (exam results pending) and currently looking at Florida, but also Oz, preferably Sydney (looking at Bankstown).
I've done a search and checked out the info on here so far, has anyone got any recent experience of Bankstown or hour building in Sydney generally ?
I see Aerospace Aviation gets a few good recommendations, any thoughts ?
cheers.
I will shortly be embarking on the hour building road (exam results pending) and currently looking at Florida, but also Oz, preferably Sydney (looking at Bankstown).
I've done a search and checked out the info on here so far, has anyone got any recent experience of Bankstown or hour building in Sydney generally ?
I see Aerospace Aviation gets a few good recommendations, any thoughts ?
cheers.
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I went to Sydney in December last year for about 2 weeks and the weather was total pants - strong winds and heavy rain. Although there were some good days thrown in. I looked at Bankstown, and was planning to fly from there, although it is a suburb of Sydney, and a bit out of the city centre, so you would need some form of transport to get you there if staying in Sydney.
I think you should look to Western Oz if you want to be guaranteed good flyable weather - unless if you are IR rated.
You will need to convert your licence to a Oz one, but it seemed straight forward enough, with none of the current FAA nonsense.
I think you should look to Western Oz if you want to be guaranteed good flyable weather - unless if you are IR rated.
You will need to convert your licence to a Oz one, but it seemed straight forward enough, with none of the current FAA nonsense.
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I rented a TB20 from Basair at bankstown a few years back and they were good people to deal with and I would have no hesitation in recomending them.
www.basair.com.au
Check out the website and if you have any more questions about hourbuilding in aus or the UK email me.
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www.basair.com.au
Check out the website and if you have any more questions about hourbuilding in aus or the UK email me.
[email protected]
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Hi Gonv,
You don't need to convert yur licence, but can apply for a Certificate of Validation which allows you to fly private Day VFR ops on your overseas licences subject to completing a flight review. Ideal for hour builders, and although I'm biased, WA has more reliable weather than some other parts of Aus, and is cheaper. Best time is October to June.
You don't need to convert yur licence, but can apply for a Certificate of Validation which allows you to fly private Day VFR ops on your overseas licences subject to completing a flight review. Ideal for hour builders, and although I'm biased, WA has more reliable weather than some other parts of Aus, and is cheaper. Best time is October to June.
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Thanks folks for the replies.
Cheers CFI, I spoke to you quite a while ago via non-pprune e-mail about looking at the possibilities of Oz, I was just starting my ATPL theory back then I think.
As you can see, still looking at it as an option, and quite tempting. Thanks for the advice, I may drop you an e-mail to look at it further in the near future, still trying to decide between USA and Oz at the mo.
all the best,
Gb.
Cheers CFI, I spoke to you quite a while ago via non-pprune e-mail about looking at the possibilities of Oz, I was just starting my ATPL theory back then I think.
As you can see, still looking at it as an option, and quite tempting. Thanks for the advice, I may drop you an e-mail to look at it further in the near future, still trying to decide between USA and Oz at the mo.
all the best,
Gb.
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Hi,
If your still looking into flying in Aus then you might consider Newcastle instead of Sydney. I instruct at the Royal Newcastle Aero Club and its much cheaper than Sydney. We own the airfield so theres alot less time and money spent taxing/payinf for airport usage and more time flying. The weathers just getting nice up this way, cool and clear but quickly warming up for summer. Check us out at www.rnac.com.au. If your after anymore specific details email at [email protected].
Anyways, good luck ith your research,
Cheers.
If your still looking into flying in Aus then you might consider Newcastle instead of Sydney. I instruct at the Royal Newcastle Aero Club and its much cheaper than Sydney. We own the airfield so theres alot less time and money spent taxing/payinf for airport usage and more time flying. The weathers just getting nice up this way, cool and clear but quickly warming up for summer. Check us out at www.rnac.com.au. If your after anymore specific details email at [email protected].
Anyways, good luck ith your research,
Cheers.
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Strange response.
I went to Sydney earlier this year for some hour building. I used Schofields flying club, based at Bankstown. I found the club very helpful and welcoming. They had a selection of Arrows, Warriors and some twins. I mostly used the Arrows. Its advisable to speak to the club - on the phone - and book well in advance to get the plane you need. I did have a couple of occassions where my intended aircraft had gone u/s, on one instance there was not a spare, another time the club x-hired an aircraft from another club so I didn't go without.
The distances in Oz are huge, and there's not alot going on when you get outside of Sydney, so you'll end up flying some huge distances to those compared in the UK or Europe.
The check out for clubs is significant too. I ended up doing about 5 hrs flying, having a x-country test with the CFI and a general skills handling session. I also had to have practice with other instructors to learn the approach routes into Bankstown, and the Oz air rules in the surrounding areas. At first this seems like overkill, but I found it all useful.
Get used to using a ADF, and gen up on using a Garmin 430.
It takes 24hrs to get a certificate based on you JAA licence. This will only allow day VFR, irrespective of any IFR qualifications you might have.
I'm going back early next year, and plan on doing some significant trips. I think its a splendid country for flying. Enjoy it - it sounds daunting, but it isn't.
I went to Sydney earlier this year for some hour building. I used Schofields flying club, based at Bankstown. I found the club very helpful and welcoming. They had a selection of Arrows, Warriors and some twins. I mostly used the Arrows. Its advisable to speak to the club - on the phone - and book well in advance to get the plane you need. I did have a couple of occassions where my intended aircraft had gone u/s, on one instance there was not a spare, another time the club x-hired an aircraft from another club so I didn't go without.
The distances in Oz are huge, and there's not alot going on when you get outside of Sydney, so you'll end up flying some huge distances to those compared in the UK or Europe.
The check out for clubs is significant too. I ended up doing about 5 hrs flying, having a x-country test with the CFI and a general skills handling session. I also had to have practice with other instructors to learn the approach routes into Bankstown, and the Oz air rules in the surrounding areas. At first this seems like overkill, but I found it all useful.
Get used to using a ADF, and gen up on using a Garmin 430.
It takes 24hrs to get a certificate based on you JAA licence. This will only allow day VFR, irrespective of any IFR qualifications you might have.
I'm going back early next year, and plan on doing some significant trips. I think its a splendid country for flying. Enjoy it - it sounds daunting, but it isn't.
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Hn more than likely is talking about hour building to get experience towards his 200hrs for CPL issue here, hence the confusion to our Ozmates replying to this post. Try Basair.com.au Darren the owner is a nice guy who has been in business at Bankstown Sydney now for a long time, plus he survived teaching me my instructor rating in the 80's and is still alive..
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Don't forget about Camden. 62km SW of Sydney. Very nice airfield, and located within pleasant surroundings.
There are operators there who will see you right - if you are in the area and have visited Bankstown, you will see what the difference is!
Good luck
There are operators there who will see you right - if you are in the area and have visited Bankstown, you will see what the difference is!
Good luck
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Try Warnavale Air ,
an hour's drive north of Sydney. No landing fees and airspace charges plus you get to fly of the beutiful central coast. I did about 10 hours of flying with them and their quite prices competitive compared to the hexy bankstown.
If i remember rightly its about the same time to the habour bridge as it would be from bankstown.
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an hour's drive north of Sydney. No landing fees and airspace charges plus you get to fly of the beutiful central coast. I did about 10 hours of flying with them and their quite prices competitive compared to the hexy bankstown.
If i remember rightly its about the same time to the habour bridge as it would be from bankstown.
Cheers
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Night flight?
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I have an JAA licence and night flight (NF) qualification. You say the aussie licence is given for day VFR only irrespective of e.g. IFR qualifications. What does it take for me to get an aussie NF qualification with my JAA NF qualification? Planning on moving to Sydney in Dec.
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I have an JAA licence and night flight (NF) qualification. You say the aussie licence is given for day VFR only irrespective of e.g. IFR qualifications. What does it take for me to get an aussie NF qualification with my JAA NF qualification? Planning on moving to Sydney in Dec.
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You will have to complete the Aussie licence, and obtain the night qualification through their requirements. You get a dispensation for the flying, but I believe you must sit the ground examinations, and do a flight test with a CFI to get the licence.
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I digged more data and came to the same conlcusion. I have furiously tried a search on landing fees at YSBK and other GA airports near Sydney, but to no avail. I suppose AirServices Australia collects these fees but no price list exists...
cheers
HW
I digged more data and came to the same conlcusion. I have furiously tried a search on landing fees at YSBK and other GA airports near Sydney, but to no avail. I suppose AirServices Australia collects these fees but no price list exists...
cheers
HW