MCC: really matters where to do it?

[aerdna]

Hi everybody

am on the search for an MCC course and was wondering if it really matters which sim is used. Budget limited, as usual...
Of course a full moving 737 would be fun, but is it really worth the money? Woud it be an advantage in the selection process?

Best quotation so far: 1995 gbp at AFT on a king air sim

Any advice?

[scroggs]

MCC has nothing to do with aircraft (or sim) type and everything to do with CRM. It is quite irrelevant what sort of device you use to provide the cockpit environment. No employer will give you any greater credit for doing the course on a full-motion Cat D A320 than they will on a basic cockpit procedures trainer. As long as the course and the qualification are accredited, that's all they need to know.

Don't waste your money on posh sims - until you need to for type training, should you decide to go that way.

Scroggs

[High Wing Drifter]

FWIW, I think some employers are in cahoots with CTC...who, so the story goes, are charging a ridiculous £6500 for an MCC with the platitudinal (is that a real word?) "9 out of 10 Airline managers said their Chief Pilots preferred CTC." Now if I were a cynical old goat I would have jumped to the conclusion that somebody somewhere is getting a kick-back.

[Gillespie]

I would suggest that there is a benefit to doing your MCC in a full motion jet simulator, or at least if you do a budget MCC then complete a jet orientation course.

My comments are based upon the out come of the GAPAN survey sent to a hand full of airlines. The airlines stressed that graduates fresh out of aviation college with their new CPL/IR's have a too bigger bridge to cross for a first officer position and that some jet orientation and handling experience is essential (especially as most airlines will have sim check as part of selection).

Cheers.

[scroggs]

Gillespie While you may be right about the GAPAN survey (I am not privy to either the survey or its results), the MCC is not an opportunity to brush up on handling skills or learn about the operation of a multi-engined jet. It is purely a course to instill and assess the skills of co-operation required in a busy airliner cockpit. To a large extent, it could be completed on two chairs in a classroom, if the students' imaginations were up to it!

I repeat, MCC is not in any way handling or flight training, it is a behavioural course. The device used to host it is irrelevant. If you feel you need time under flying instruction in a full motion simulator, go and hire one for that purpose.

Scroggs

[BillieBob]

Beat me to it again scroggs - you need to get out more .

The reason CTC get such a good rep. is that their MCCIs are, in the main, current line pilots. AFAIK this only applies to CTC and Jetlinx and is far more important than the hardware used.

It doesn't matter how good the sim - you won't get good, relevant MCC training from some geriatric ex-Comet captain

[aerdna]

Thanx for the advice

Think i'll save my money fore something more useful then.

bye all

[carbonfibre]

MCC

Scrogg's point is extremely valid, however it may be worth doing a search on here or looking hard first as with the IR.

I know one school who's instruction is excellent, but only when they had 2 BA pilots doing it for them when 1 was rostered off, and the other retired recently, there own MCC Chief Instructor as he liked to remind people of had terrible communication, people and training skills. Frequently has people not wanting to fly with him too.

He is well past retirement and as already put a crusty old Captain, whos idea of communication is still barking orders.

So I would say look hard, choose wisely and as always cheap is not always best and vice versa

Again already put its about good co-operation / communication and interaction in the cockpit, even if you dont like the guy, Jet Op's is different, perhaps if money allows do it but at a later date if you get offered interview dates

Good luck

[arfur-sixpence]

aerdna - there is an MCC course available in England for £1950 but to avoid falling foul of the moderators I shall refrain from saying where.

Try a www.google.co.uk websearch for Multi Crew Co-operation Course and limit it to UK sites.