ATPL'S STUDY dilemma
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Seems to me you have to be transparent about whether or not you're charging VAT and I would think it's both courteous and sensible to confirm the CAA have approved the way you're operating.
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although this thread has certainly gone off topic,it is still interesting to see where all this is heading.
P.S any more contributions regarding the original topic will be greatly appreciated.(see below)
'[ATPL'S STUDY dilemma
I am now very close to actually having to choose a school where to do my atpl's (modular full-time).i know this might have been asked alot of times but as long as we wannabes keep popping up ,this question will never cease.
IS IT REALLY WORTH DOSHING OUT EXTRA CASH TO GO AND DO YOUR ATPL'S AT A SCHOOL LIKE OXFORD OR JEREZ WHEN U CAN PAY LESS AND GO TO OTHER SCHOOLS WHICH ARE NOT AS POPULAR BUT DO GET GOOD REVIEWS??
i am not asking another version of the typical question''where is the best place to do your atpl's?'' but simply trying to cutdown on options and finally make a decision.
Cheers]'
P.S any more contributions regarding the original topic will be greatly appreciated.(see below)
'[ATPL'S STUDY dilemma
I am now very close to actually having to choose a school where to do my atpl's (modular full-time).i know this might have been asked alot of times but as long as we wannabes keep popping up ,this question will never cease.
IS IT REALLY WORTH DOSHING OUT EXTRA CASH TO GO AND DO YOUR ATPL'S AT A SCHOOL LIKE OXFORD OR JEREZ WHEN U CAN PAY LESS AND GO TO OTHER SCHOOLS WHICH ARE NOT AS POPULAR BUT DO GET GOOD REVIEWS??
i am not asking another version of the typical question''where is the best place to do your atpl's?'' but simply trying to cutdown on options and finally make a decision.
Cheers]'
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Cat got your tongue? I'm going to push you here, Keith. Let me make it easy:
My name is Keith Williams. EPTA do/do not charge VAT on our groundschool courses.
(A) Do
(B) Do not
Concerning the relationship between EPTA and Bournemouth & Poole College of Further Education:
The CAA have always been kept up to date about our business relationship, are aware that we are claiming government grants through Bournemouth and Poole College and have agreed no change to our approvals is required.
(A) True
(B) False
My name is Keith Williams. EPTA do/do not charge VAT on our groundschool courses.
(A) Do
(B) Do not
Concerning the relationship between EPTA and Bournemouth & Poole College of Further Education:
The CAA have always been kept up to date about our business relationship, are aware that we are claiming government grants through Bournemouth and Poole College and have agreed no change to our approvals is required.
(A) True
(B) False
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Such simple questions. Isn't it surprising how hard it is to answer? Come on, Keith. Your company's credibility is being challenged here.
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AT LAST....... THE GAME IS OVER!!!!!!!!
How many more times do I have to say......'I TOLD YOU SO' Im sick and tired of people having a go at me just because I tell the truth on this forum. I wish you people would wake up and smell the coffee. Nothing has changed apart from a few letters.......SFT/EPTA..........EPTA/SFT...... Keith I think you should pass the shovel back to Colin.
Alex, its nearly time at the bar!!! What are you having??????
Alex, its nearly time at the bar!!! What are you having??????
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Come on Keith. You only have to say that the CAA have been fully informed about your changing business relationship and have agreed that no change to your approvals is required.
Thumbs down, to the wolves.
Thumbs down, to the wolves.
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PEGGY&ALEX :if i understood correctly KEVIN W. represents Bournemouth. if not Please enlighten me on what really is going on.
Peggy; the reason i asked u to pm me was so that u could tell me what really are your reasons for posting against Bournemouth , as i am not sure i am fully understanding what is being said.
Peggy; the reason i asked u to pm me was so that u could tell me what really are your reasons for posting against Bournemouth , as i am not sure i am fully understanding what is being said.
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Gerald Keith, not Kevin, Williams is the de facto CGI of EPTA in Bournemouth although he ultimately answers to another CGI, Paul Hardie of Cabair. Both are gentlemen of the old school which might explain Keith's silence in this matter. Peggy is extremely cross about something, doubtless he/she will explain.
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thanks for the info ALEX ,so EPTA have got nothing to do with BCFT in Bournemouth.Sorry about the name mix up but its already 24:30 here in Malta.
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Stirred my Spuds!!!!!!!!!! At 00:25 that actually made me chuckle. Ah well..... at least we've got a good rugby team Alex. I feel a joke coming on..... Keith Alex Peggy and Send Clowns walked into a bar......................................................... ............................................................ ............................................................ ...........................
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ALEX you really must cool down. I can understand Peggy's problem, she stopped taking her medication long ago.
You appear to be basing your arguments on two assumptions. The first is that the scheme is impossible to use and the second is that it inevitably enables the trainig to be zero-rated for VAT.
I think that you will find that to overcome the first problem you must do a trade-off with the second. But students still gain a great deal.
Given your highly agitated state I am sure that you have by now called the CAA to "voice your concerns". Well if that the case then we will soon find out whether or not you are correct.
You appear to be basing your arguments on two assumptions. The first is that the scheme is impossible to use and the second is that it inevitably enables the trainig to be zero-rated for VAT.
I think that you will find that to overcome the first problem you must do a trade-off with the second. But students still gain a great deal.
Given your highly agitated state I am sure that you have by now called the CAA to "voice your concerns". Well if that the case then we will soon find out whether or not you are correct.
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I'm not remotely agitated, Keith. I am just asking you to answer two simple questions. Can we infer that the answer to the first:
EPTA do/do not charge VAT on our groundschool courses.
(A) Do
(B) Do not
is (A) and to the second:
Concerning the relationship between EPTA and Bournemouth & Poole College of Further Education:
The CAA have always been kept up to date about our business relationship, are aware that we are claiming government grants through Bournemouth and Poole College and have agreed no change to our approvals is required.
(A) True
(B) False
is (B)?
EPTA do/do not charge VAT on our groundschool courses.
(A) Do
(B) Do not
is (A) and to the second:
Concerning the relationship between EPTA and Bournemouth & Poole College of Further Education:
The CAA have always been kept up to date about our business relationship, are aware that we are claiming government grants through Bournemouth and Poole College and have agreed no change to our approvals is required.
(A) True
(B) False
is (B)?
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ALEX
As you are no doubt aware, my only reason for delaying in replying to your questions was that I wished to ensure that my reply was entirely true (I rather prefer it that way).
I was not actually involved in the negotiations with the CAA, so I did not know exactly what had or had not been agreed. Having investigated the matter I can now confirm that the CAA are entirely happy with what we are doing and the manner in which we are doing it.
I can also confirm that in order to avoid the problems that you encountered, we were obliged to take a route that made it impossible to provide the training at zero-VAT. In order to ensure that students did not suffer any loss, we simply reduced our price such that the VAT-added price is equal to what it would have been when zero-VAT rated.
So you see, it is entirely possible to obtain the grants for your students, but you will need to do some work to bring it about. I hope that your are successful in doing so. Prices in this business are far too high and we should all do everything we can to reduce them. As I said in my original contribution to this string, there is no direct link between price and quality.
PEGGY MURPHY,
Sorry PEGGY but as usual, you were much too eager to assume the worst. The fact is that EPTA has once again managed to provide outstanding value for its students. But go and have a beer anyway.....then for god's sake get back on the medication you are becoming more unstable every day.
As you are no doubt aware, my only reason for delaying in replying to your questions was that I wished to ensure that my reply was entirely true (I rather prefer it that way).
I was not actually involved in the negotiations with the CAA, so I did not know exactly what had or had not been agreed. Having investigated the matter I can now confirm that the CAA are entirely happy with what we are doing and the manner in which we are doing it.
I can also confirm that in order to avoid the problems that you encountered, we were obliged to take a route that made it impossible to provide the training at zero-VAT. In order to ensure that students did not suffer any loss, we simply reduced our price such that the VAT-added price is equal to what it would have been when zero-VAT rated.
So you see, it is entirely possible to obtain the grants for your students, but you will need to do some work to bring it about. I hope that your are successful in doing so. Prices in this business are far too high and we should all do everything we can to reduce them. As I said in my original contribution to this string, there is no direct link between price and quality.
PEGGY MURPHY,
Sorry PEGGY but as usual, you were much too eager to assume the worst. The fact is that EPTA has once again managed to provide outstanding value for its students. But go and have a beer anyway.....then for god's sake get back on the medication you are becoming more unstable every day.
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Thank you for clearing up the confusion, Alex. I certainly would not want the EPTA to be confused with BCFT or BFC just because they are in Bournemouth too.
Now that we have the unseemly catfight out of the way, let's consider the reality.
The CAA should be concerned only with an organisation's compliance with the requirements of JAR-FCL. How that organisation arranges its finances should be of no interest to the Authority provided that it can be shown that the financial arrangements in place at the time of an approval/re-approval inspection are adequate to support the organisation's plans for the forthcoming year, in accordance with IEM No.2 to JAR-FCL 1.055.
How an organisation arranges its funding of individual students and any arrangement that it comes to with external training providers should be of no interest whatsoever to the CAA.
The funding is available, the fact that some organisations cannot understand that availability is unfortunate, if not entirely surprising.
The CAA should be concerned only with an organisation's compliance with the requirements of JAR-FCL. How that organisation arranges its finances should be of no interest to the Authority provided that it can be shown that the financial arrangements in place at the time of an approval/re-approval inspection are adequate to support the organisation's plans for the forthcoming year, in accordance with IEM No.2 to JAR-FCL 1.055.
How an organisation arranges its funding of individual students and any arrangement that it comes to with external training providers should be of no interest whatsoever to the CAA.
The funding is available, the fact that some organisations cannot understand that availability is unfortunate, if not entirely surprising.