U.K. flight training or EFT??
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I would not go near this guy (AJ) for all the teat in China. All they do is get you hire a plane from Rainbow and organise a local instructor (Who was excellant). I have just returned from doing half his 50 hour course.
AJ is an approved JAA ground and flight examiner.
I would not go near this guy (AJ) for all the teat in China. All they do is get you hire a plane from Rainbow and organise a local instructor (Who was excellant). I have just returned from doing half his 50 hour course.
AJ is an approved JAA ground and flight examiner.
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therefore you need to keep your FAA current to use your JAA licence so if it ever lapses your JAA one also becomes invalid
Are you sure this is correct? I was told excatly that many moons ago when I got my FAA PPL but I understand that it is no longer the case - once you have your JAA PPL, that's it, you only need to keep the JAA licence current.
If I'm wrong I'd be grateful if you could point out where it is laid out.
2close
PS. Both are current, honest, guv!
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Well, I'm off to EFT for the month of March and so if you stick around until I get back at the beginning of April.....I'll write a big, looonnnnng post and tell you all about it!
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Hi
For those of you people looking to do your training for a JAA PPL (A). I recently completed my JAA PPL (A) training with Orlando Flight Training, instructors were professional, and when they say they will get you to work through a PPL course in three weeks they mean it. As for the accomodation, it could have been a lot better, and the rushed nature of the course is not for everyone...but then again i have walked away with a PPL in three weeks, had loads of fun there and the conditions are perfect.
Hope that helps.
Flyer2005
p.s. I was actually going to learn to fly with UKFT (AJ), but something did not seem right about the way he was approaching the training...got some negative feedback from others who have flown with UKFT too...
For those of you people looking to do your training for a JAA PPL (A). I recently completed my JAA PPL (A) training with Orlando Flight Training, instructors were professional, and when they say they will get you to work through a PPL course in three weeks they mean it. As for the accomodation, it could have been a lot better, and the rushed nature of the course is not for everyone...but then again i have walked away with a PPL in three weeks, had loads of fun there and the conditions are perfect.
Hope that helps.
Flyer2005
p.s. I was actually going to learn to fly with UKFT (AJ), but something did not seem right about the way he was approaching the training...got some negative feedback from others who have flown with UKFT too...
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I did my PPL with them and I enjoyed my training there. AJ was upfront with me told me that the PPL will be a FAA PPL with the UK RT Licence.
Here is a letter that might be of interest to future PPL pilots:
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The privileges of an FAA PPL (as an ICAO licence) may be exercised in UK registered aircraft for private purposes only but flying in controlled airspace under IFR is prohibited. The UK Air Navigation Order therefore does not prevent you exercising the privileges of an FAA licence, night or instrument rating, outside controlled airspace. The ANO does not place any territorial activity on exercising these privileges since your FAA licence is deemed to be valid in UK registered aircraft, so it does not constrain you to UK airspace. It is possible that a State may be able to exclude you from their airspace but this is unlikely and, indeed, DGAC France has indicated that it is acceptable to fly in that State with an FAA licence valid on UK-registered aircraft. Your local flying club is therefore incorrect in that the privileges of an FAA PPL are day flying within the UK only.There is little argument that an FAA PPL is cheaper and easier to obtain
andmaintain than the JAR-FCL PPL. It is an ICAO licence and is thereforeacceptable as the entry point into the JAA training system (modular route)at CPL or ATPL level.
I hope this information is useful. Obviously we cannot, as the
regulator, make recommendations or comments about individual training organisations, only that if they have received approval they meet the UK standards required.
Regards
Mike Dobson
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Here is a letter that might be of interest to future PPL pilots:
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The privileges of an FAA PPL (as an ICAO licence) may be exercised in UK registered aircraft for private purposes only but flying in controlled airspace under IFR is prohibited. The UK Air Navigation Order therefore does not prevent you exercising the privileges of an FAA licence, night or instrument rating, outside controlled airspace. The ANO does not place any territorial activity on exercising these privileges since your FAA licence is deemed to be valid in UK registered aircraft, so it does not constrain you to UK airspace. It is possible that a State may be able to exclude you from their airspace but this is unlikely and, indeed, DGAC France has indicated that it is acceptable to fly in that State with an FAA licence valid on UK-registered aircraft. Your local flying club is therefore incorrect in that the privileges of an FAA PPL are day flying within the UK only.There is little argument that an FAA PPL is cheaper and easier to obtain
andmaintain than the JAR-FCL PPL. It is an ICAO licence and is thereforeacceptable as the entry point into the JAA training system (modular route)at CPL or ATPL level.
I hope this information is useful. Obviously we cannot, as the
regulator, make recommendations or comments about individual training organisations, only that if they have received approval they meet the UK standards required.
Regards
Mike Dobson
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Please accept my sincere apologies for my comments. This is probably not the forum for a personnel dispute between AJ and myself. Anyone wishing consider flight training with UKFT should contact them direct.
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Hi 2Close,
Unless there has been a major change then I believe this still to be the case.
A couple of friends and myself did it the other way round (Got JAA PPL then applied for FAA on basis of), therefore our licences were restricted by our JAA licence and the FAA licence was in fact endorse which this. I.e. If you held a full FAA PPL then you are entitled to fly at night, however my friends has not done the JAA Night Rating as it was then and could there not fly at night, I had one so could. Therefore as everything is dependant/restricted by your 'base' licence you had to keep it current to keep your other current - NB: In the case of FAA based on JAA licence you still need to undertake a BFR even if JAA is current!
Since then I have added an FAA IR to the FAA PPL and finally went the whole hog and did the SE & ME Commercials - this means I can now throw my JAA licence in the bin if I want and my FAA licence is valid as it is now a stand alone licence.
Worth noting that despite what some flight schools will tell you, if you hold an ICAO PPL then you do not need to take the full FAA PPL course if you want to add an ME, IR or go for the CPL.
Unless there has been a major change then I believe this still to be the case.
A couple of friends and myself did it the other way round (Got JAA PPL then applied for FAA on basis of), therefore our licences were restricted by our JAA licence and the FAA licence was in fact endorse which this. I.e. If you held a full FAA PPL then you are entitled to fly at night, however my friends has not done the JAA Night Rating as it was then and could there not fly at night, I had one so could. Therefore as everything is dependant/restricted by your 'base' licence you had to keep it current to keep your other current - NB: In the case of FAA based on JAA licence you still need to undertake a BFR even if JAA is current!
Since then I have added an FAA IR to the FAA PPL and finally went the whole hog and did the SE & ME Commercials - this means I can now throw my JAA licence in the bin if I want and my FAA licence is valid as it is now a stand alone licence.
Worth noting that despite what some flight schools will tell you, if you hold an ICAO PPL then you do not need to take the full FAA PPL course if you want to add an ME, IR or go for the CPL.
