Atpl/jar Fcl

[A340_rulez]

HEy all.

I am wondering what the difference between an Atpl and a JAR FCL is.
I was reading some meaterial and came accross the two.
THe material was saying that one either needs an ATPL or a JAR FCL to work the this airline i was reading about but i would like to know fo the differences please

[parris50]

I think the JAR FCL is the plain old CPL. Mine has "JAR-FCL Commercial Pilot Licence" on the blue cover but inside is just called a "Flight Crew Licence"

The ATPL is a separate licence granted after you hace CPL/IR/MCC and had appropriate flying experience.

[dorosenco]

JAR-FCL means Joint Aviation Regulations - Flight Crew Licensing. Asking what the difference between JAR-FCL and ATPL is, is like asking what is the difference between the FAA and ATPL.

ATPL is Airline Transport Pilot's License...

[Krallu]

A question

ATPL is a separate licence that you can get when you have appropiate flight time, before that you have frozen ATPL right?

So, whta's the different from a pilot with frozen ATPL and one that have the full ATPL licence. What is he allowed to do that the one with the forzen can't do?

Thanks!

[Mr Average]

An 'un forzen' ATPL is needed to act as a commander of an air transport flight.

[FlyingForFun]

Oh dear, what a confusing thread! Hopefully this will clarify, rather than confuse thing further.

JAR-FCL is a set of rules which describe how JAA states license their pilots. It stands for Joint Aviation Regulations - Flight Crew Licensing

ATPL is an Air Transport Pilots License. This is an ICAO (i.e. recognised world-wide) license.

As dorosenco says, you can't compare the two. A340_rulez - I suspect that whatever it was you were reading was asking for an ATPL issued in accordance with JAR-FCL. It's not an either/or thing at all.

Krallu then went on to mention a frozen ATPL. The official answer is that there is no such thing as a frozen ATPL. The phrase is used colloquially to refer to a CPL/IR, with passes in the ATPL exams. This phrase only seems to be used in the UK.

Mr Average is almost correct with the difference between the "frozen ATPL" and a full ATPL. You need an ATPL to be a commander of an air transport flight on a multi-pilot aircraft.

Clear as mud? Good!

FFF
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[A340_rulez]

ok Thanks now i understand

In addition to that i have another queston.
SAy if mrx (for example) had and ATPL obtained in england could he use that ATPL if he wanted to work for a european airline outside of the UK?
Do you see what i mean?
Basically do countries have their own ATPL's?

Cheers

[dorosenco]

- if the ATPL was issued following JAA regulations than YES you can use it to fly as PIC in any JAA registered aircraft.

- if the ATPL was issued following national UK regulations than you have to convert it to a JAA ATPL before working for a foreign JAA airline.

[BillieBob]

if the ATPL was issued following national UK regulations than you have to convert it to a JAA ATPL before working for a foreign JAA airline

Not true! - My UK national ATPL was validated by the LBA for use in German registered aircraft when I was on a short-term contract to Lufthansa last year. I didn't have to get a JAA ATPL then, nor will I ever have to in the future. The only advantage of a JAA licence is that you don't have to go through the validation process, but then it's not that complicated - just a few e-mails.

[A340_rulez]

thanks every one that was really helpful