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Sir George Cayley 16th November 2002 19:55

So lets skip forward a few years to flying Utopia where a variety of certified compression ignition engines of varying horse power running on Jet A1 are widely available to GA. :)

Hands up all who think HMG's Treasury will leave the pump price where it currently is?

Sir George Cayley

The air is a navigable ocean that laps at everyones door

BlueRobin 18th November 2002 14:09

Running diesel cars with Jet (AVTUR)
 
Englishal: Yes. Although the fuzz would be able to smell you a mile away. :)

Some jet engines run for a while on diesel. Know someone who did this (in an emergency) on a Let410 in Africa.

steamchicken 18th November 2002 16:48

This "bio-diesel" lark looks more and more interesting all the time: there is apparently a growing legal industry recycling waste fat into fuel, and one large supermarket chain is looking into the possibility of running its trucks off the stuff - that "chip shop on fire smell" could get more common.

It was somewhere down in Wales where the illegal diesel makers made the press, after the local Asda sold a year's worth of cooking oil in three months - they started rationing it to one litre per customer per day. There was a good Guardian article on the issue. But you might need an awful lorra lorra lard for aviation purposes...

DummyRun 18th November 2002 20:37

It's quite straightfoward, the only fuel you can legally use in your diesel car according to C&E is DERV which oddly enough stands for Diesel Engined Road Vehicle fuel, tractors, JCBs, aircraft etc you can use red diesel, whether it's a sensible idea is another matter esp the low temp case.
How long before the Uncle Gordon whacks up the duty on LPG I wonder?

Mariner9 20th November 2002 08:50

Englishal, you can't run a car diesel engine solely on Jet, but you could (albeit ilegally) add about 40% jet to diesel in summer & 30% in winter. However it wouldn't do your engine much good, the lack of lubricity in jet would cause excess wear, and Kero produces much less power in a diesel engine than derv.

It's also incorrect to think that customs couldn't catch you, some jet in the UK is from DPK (dual purpose Kero) which contains coumarin - an 'invisible' customs marker, easily detected by analysis.


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