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PPLvirgin 28th March 2014 21:53
blimey strollerweb,

i nearly went with Donair cos i work in leicester and live in mansfield. in the end I went with phoenix flying club at netherthorpe and passed my PPL a week ago.

to be honest, i wonder and question why things are so complex, also these guys i flew with were the friendliest guys i could have met, but organisation could have been better at times, but to be honest i think it is not the easiet profession to run.

amusingly i dismised donair, more from preference and gut instinct but they did come across professional - in fact i was thinking of doing my night rating with them to get good epxerience from East mids also.

strollerweb 29th March 2014 07:05
The one hour with an instructor should be conducted as a mini test and not just a ride along. To be honest I really enjoyed the test , spiral dives, PFL and my favourite practice bad weather circuits ;) in the gliding world we do check rides every year, cable breaks, aerotow, spot quiz, stalls and spins. It does not hurt to do the same with power flying, although I would like to make it my chose next time.

India Four Two 29th March 2014 07:20
i've just read this thread in stunned amazement. I am SO glad I don't fly in the UK anymore.

What happened to the good old days of an instructor just signing your logbook?

Echo Romeo 29th March 2014 11:19
This is a typical example of why the human race will become extinct, because no common sense will be applied to anything, certainly the regulators.

You could have someone who has done 100 hours in the last 12 months and goes over by a few days because the date of expiry is printed in micro writing on a licence which might be opened once year to check a medical,
then are forced to do a LPC.

Someone else with the bare minimum, and who you suspect ought to have a flight test can just get signed off.

I came across someone using their UK licence to fly in the US whose 5 year licence expired 4 years ago! It would appear neither the pilot understood he had an expiring licence and the US club didn't know what they were looking at.
Your assessment is about spot on imho. No one is allowed to exercise common sense these days, it seems.

strollerweb 29th March 2014 20:04
Your assessment is about spot on imho. No one is allowed to exercise common sense these days, it seems.
Nope!

i dismised donair, more from preference and gut instinct but they did come across professional - in fact i was thinking of doing my night rating with them to get good epxerience from East mids also.
EM is a very interesting place to fly, I also did a Night Endorsement there, although the departure lounge lighting keeps everything lit up clear as day, which is a bit of a cheat! - also it took me one and half hours to do 5 full stop landings due to heavy commercial traffic!! orbiting on the downwind leg at night was fun at first, but my wallet soon got bored of it :rolleyes:

fireflybob 29th March 2014 20:52
Your assessment is about spot on imho. No one is allowed to exercise common sense these days, it seems.
ER, I agree. Sadly we now live in the age of "blame culture" and everyone is covering their a***s in case anything should ever go wrong and they can cry "nothing to do with me mate!".

The one hour with an instructor should be conducted as a mini test and not just a ride along.
strollerwebb, am sure your didn't mean it that way but the one hour with an instructor is an "instructional" flight (legally) and is not pass/fail. This issue has been discussed many times before. The instructor signs the logbook signifying the one hour had taken place, that is all.

fireflybob 29th March 2014 20:57
i've just read this thread in stunned amazement. I am SO glad I don't fly in the UK anymore.

What happened to the good old days of an instructor just signing your logbook?
India Four Two, ah yes that would be the halcyon days before Europe and EASA crash landed on the scene!

Mach Jump 29th March 2014 21:48
The one hour with an instructor should be conducted as a mini test and not just a ride along.
You can use your 'hour with a flight instructor' to do any form of training you like. it doesn't have to follow any form of 'test content' That was an illusion the CAA created when they didn't get their way during the introduction of JAR FCL.

So make good use of it and convert to a new type, do some aerobatics, instrument flying, navigation, anything you think would be of benefit to you.


MJ:ok:

strollerweb 29th March 2014 22:17
The one hour with an instructor should be conducted as a mini test and not just a ride along.
Bad chose of words test, had test on the brain! Instructional sounds better.

taybird 30th March 2014 18:29
Did my NR at Donair and loved it. By the time I got to the solo circuit stage, I still had 1h20m of the 5 hour course.
After 6 stop-go's I then did another 5 touch and go circuits to make up the 1h20m. So I guess it's all in the timing.
Agreed it is cheating to do it there, though, it's too easy!


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