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mad_jock 7th October 2012 18:35

Put tons of effort into them. Cause everyone reads them and does what they say. :p

scottish_ppl 7th October 2012 19:42


Worth remembering that the majority of these NOTAMs are Advisorary and not Avoids and the military (and any other significant airspace user for that matter) is duty bound to advise on significant air activity. Better to be aware of possible activity than get a fast jet up your backside surely?
Out of curiosity does the fast jet traffic get any collision avoidance info from my transponder squawk?

The notams are informative in that you know there are excercises going on, but not usually practical to avoid the area because they are so big. It would be good to know the military have something equivalent to the civilian TCAS...

Although the one I wonder about more than the occasional exercise notam, is the HRA. Does the usage really justify the size and daily active, or could it be smaller sections activated by notam, or have VFR corridors through it available to light aircraft.

Maoraigh1 7th October 2012 20:24


RAF don't work weekends.
A Falcon passed under us today, Sunday. We were informed of each other in plenty of time, and he descended from 1500' to very low over the Cromarty Firth. We were at 2000'.

mad_jock 7th October 2012 20:29

FRA falcons arn't RAF.

fabs 7th October 2012 21:48


RAF don't work weekends. Anyway must go as I have some NOTAMs to draft
Hope my wife doesn't read this, she'll wonder where I've been all weekend!

snapper1 8th October 2012 16:40

Flying gliders out of Aboyne all last week. Saw a few Tornados now and then. We requested the 'wave box' be opened when the wave got going (FL195 - FL240) and had no problems.

Maoraigh1 8th October 2012 19:57


FRA falcons arn't RAF.
I know that they're civi operated electronic simulators, and not flying for fun. Exercise activity was taking place.

mad_jock 9th October 2012 02:39

Yes but they also play with the Navy as well.

Bob Viking 11th October 2012 20:53

Scottish PPL
 
The only current RAF FJ that will see your squawk on TCAS is the Hawk T2. The Typhoon will have a Radar to assist (the GR4 may be able to display A-A contacts but you'd best ask someone who flies it).
I see what people are saying about the large area NOTAMs but then there are civilian equivalents that are equally vague. Cross country gliding competitions spring to mind. They cover vast swathes of the countryside but in reality hardly constitute swarms of gliders from surface to infinity at all hours of the day.
What this thread has highlighted to me is how certain members of the civilian fraternity (and this works both ways before anyone jumps down my throat) don't fully understand what the military is up to and why we do what we do. Open days hosted by military units or local airfields are a great way to enlighten members of the aviation fraternity. Although at one I attended I was not overly impressed with the finger pointing attitude of some PPL types who were convinced we were all out to kill them!
BV:ugh:

Maoraigh1 11th October 2012 22:32


but then there are civilian equivalents that are equally vague. Cross country gliding competitions spring to mind. They cover vast swathes of the countryside but in reality hardly constitute swarms of gliders from surface to infinity at all hours of the day.
The threatening "Strongly advised to avoid" has NEVER appeared in a civillian notam. Scheduled air sevices, oil industry traffic, flying schools, survey aircraft, and lift helicopters would have great loss of revenue if they did this, and would cause considerable disruption to the economy.
(As a pensioner, flying for pleasure, with time on my hands, I didn't fly in the good weather earlier this week, due to the assorted activities. For me it was no big deal to go walking instead. )


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