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flybymike 14th October 2009 22:21


I have just received an email from our insurers clearly stating the CRI is regarded as a qualified instructor by the underwriters.
I cant help wondering whether the underwriters actually realise the difference between a CRI and an FI...

XX621 14th October 2009 22:30


Originally Posted by flybymike (Post 5253467)
I cant help wondering whether the underwriters actually realise the difference between a CRI and an FI...

Here is the actual reply:

"...yes, the CRI fits the QFI definition and is fine providing undertaking advanced tuition or continuation training of named permitted pilots specified on your schedule of insurance."

flybymike 14th October 2009 23:05

"Advanced" tuition? :hmm:

englishal 15th October 2009 05:37

Complex, turbo, high performance endorsements etc.....that is advanced tuition.

turbine100 15th October 2009 08:59

Hi

I dont want to do a instructors course but am interested in becoming a CRI.

Does anyone know where in the South East a CRI course is offered .....

I have a Frozen ATPL with MEP, SEP and IR ratings.

XX621 15th October 2009 09:10

I have been in contact with the following FTO's about CRI courses:

Wycomble Air Centre
West London Aero Club
On Track Aviation
Andrewsfield Aviation

Most were very professional in manner and detail of response, with one exception which still has not got back to me (true to previous form I might add!). If you PM me I can provide more info.

Prices vary around £1250. Landing fees and test a/c hire and examiner charges are not typically included. Be careful to ascertain if you need to pay "all up front" especially in current economic climate.

englishal 15th October 2009 09:23

wycombe was recommended to me...I'm probably going to do it in the new year.

BroomstickPilot 15th October 2009 11:20

Underwriters
 
Hi englishal,

I don't know whether XX's underwriters are also your underwriters, if so then that's a good start. If not, then the statement from XX's underwriters is of no value TO YOU.

I still feel that you need to have a nice letter on headed notepaper on YOUR file from YOUR insurer confirming the matter in question.

Then, and only then, will you be safe in assuming a CRI will be adequate for the purpose in question.

Broomstick.

englishal 15th October 2009 11:49

Thanks, I will check anyway and get it in writing, though it is nice to know what other insurance companies think.

englishal 15th October 2009 12:09

Good news!...


The clause you refer to is to provide automatic cover under the policy should a “Qualified Flying Instructor, Assistant Flying Instructor and any Airworthiness approved pilot” fly the aircraft for the purposes of check flights and continuation training to any members of the group and for a suitably qualified pilot to fly the aircraft after the annual has been concluded.

The CAA certified Class Rating Instructor is a permitted pilot for the uses described above.

stiknruda 15th October 2009 12:23

The detail is in the small print:


fly the aircraft for the purposes of check flights and continuation training to any members of the group and for a suitably qualified pilot to fly the aircraft after the annual has been concluded

This does not mean that if you lend your pride and joy to your instructor so that he can teach a non-group member that he is covered.

Similarly if you ask your friendly "instructor" to fly the aircraft whilst you snap pix of your house - he is not covered

DA-10mm 16th October 2009 08:04

gotta love the JAA/JAR...

IO540 16th October 2009 08:54

The thing is that there is a big difference, in terms of potential instructor experience as perceived by the insurer, between a plane being insured for the owner getting "instruction" in it (which is AFAIK virtually universal), and it being insured for being flown by any "instructor" (implicitly as PIC/solo).

That's why I would check with the insurer.

Genghis the Engineer 16th October 2009 09:56


Originally Posted by XX621 (Post 5254056)
I have been in contact with the following FTO's about CRI courses:

Wycomble Air Centre
West London Aero Club
On Track Aviation
Andrewsfield Aviation

Most were very professional in manner and detail of response, with one exception which still has not got back to me (true to previous form I might add!). If you PM me I can provide more info.

Prices vary around £1250. Landing fees and test a/c hire and examiner charges are not typically included. Be careful to ascertain if you need to pay "all up front" especially in current economic climate.

I'm thinking along similar lines. Of those, I've a lot of time for Wycombe Air Centre, having had quite a lot of other dealings with them. I also know that Bonus Aviation at Cranfield offer the CRI.

G

Pianorak 20th October 2009 07:22

[topic drift]

What is the exact definition of "any Airworthiness approved pilot"?

IMC1 7th February 2010 15:06

CRI
 
Out of interest, I have just completed a CRI course at a large commercial training organisation on the south coast.

I was fortunate to complete my course with another trainee (he was doing his full FI rating) which added some interesting additional elements, like assisting with mutual flying training etc. This greatly exceeded the number of flying hours before my flight test, even though I could not log any of it.

While it’s no were near as tough as for the full FI, it certainly is more challenging and deeper than I expected. A good CFI passionate about teaching ‘Instructional’ techniques is essential and the one I trained with was superb.

If you want any more details, please feel free to PM me.

englishal 7th February 2010 16:26

Could I do the CRI in my own aeroplane (Complex, turbo, high performance)?

Ta

Whiskey Kilo Wanderer 7th February 2010 16:34

Approved Aeroplanes
 
Hi englishal,

I think it has to be a "CAA Approved" aeroplane. Probably on the books of the training organisation.

My Rans was never going to be usable for the task, but my fellow CRI candidate's Mooney was nearer the mark. In the end we both used the Approved 140 Cherokee.

Safe Flying,
Richard W.

englishal 7th February 2010 18:11

Ok, thanks for that....:ok:


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