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EI-BNC 2nd June 2009 13:47

Have a look at the Roko Aero NG4 nice machine

OyYou 2nd June 2009 16:27

Dynamic WT9
 
If I could add my 2pence worth.

Flown about 60 hours in an 912 80HP fixed gear Dynamic. Great plane. High price here in the UK and restricted to 450kgs to get it into our microlight bracket. With this weight restriction on say a 255kg empty airplane with two 90kg lard ar$$es in it, this leaves only 15kg for fuel etc ..legally.

If you don't have these restrictions and the price in your neck of the woods is reasonable then it's a good choice.

Can be tricky to land consistently as it refuses to stop flying if you have any excess speed. Apart from that, a pleasure to fly.

Can't compare with the others mentioned as I don't have any experience on them.

If you are buying in the UK, check who the importer is, these days. Heard a rumour that there were some changes in that area.

Regards

Mickey Kaye 3rd June 2009 07:42

Which is the more robust for training a C42 or Eurostar? and which is the cheaper to operate based on 200 hours per year?

XXPLOD 4th June 2009 20:31

I would say the C42 is more robust for training, as evidenced by the fact that just about every 3 axis microlight school uses it.

The Eurostar can certainly be used for training and several schools do, but the low wing and thus the access via the wing, the perspex canopy etc... mean that it is likely to get shabby quicker than a C42.

As for operating costs I doubt there's anything in it as they both use the same 80 hp Rotax, same fuel burn/maintenance etc...

aviate1138 11th June 2009 06:32

A small indication of the UK microlight fraternity achievements in the World Air Games in Turin.

BMAA

09-Jun-2009 - World Air Games - British Champions

Four UK Pilots have won the microlight - flexwing title at the 2009 World Air Games in Italy today. Team Rob Grimwood and Chris Saysell took the first place with Rob and Rees Keene taking second. Less than a second separated the two aircraft in the pylon racing event. The nearest rivals came over twenty seconds behind, well trounced. 09-06-2009

Well done chaps.

lastgasp 11th June 2009 10:05

I would like to thank all those who have contributed information/impressions to this thread.

It has proved to be most interesting and helpful. Well done, guys!

wacits 12th June 2009 12:20

as a by the by.

Rob Grimwood flys the eurostar (ev-97) at his flight school. Another thought is size of pilot as if you are short in the legs ( cannot reach the rudders) the eurostar rudders cannot easily be adjusted.

bubo 13th June 2009 11:52

few comments:
Eurostar and Sportcruiser are sharing just the same airport (LKKU) where they are getting born. Different company, different people.
Having 200+ hours on EV-97 Eurostar (mainly cross-country including ferry flight to UK ;-) ) I can definitely recommend this as easy and nice to fly while providing good performance figures. I am not (and I was not) a sales person for Eurostars, thatīs my opinion.
Donīt go for Roko NG4 - they are currently only 20+ of them build and you know "never fly A-model of anything". They have excellent marketing but the aircraft is still too new.
No experience on Dynamic or C-42 to be hones.

Reg-e 27th July 2009 15:54

What's happening with the Dynamic in the UK, the importer company is listed as "proposed to be struck off" the companies house register? Is someone else going to take up importing these?

Genghis the Engineer 27th July 2009 16:31


Originally Posted by Reg-e (Post 5086574)
What's happening with the Dynamic in the UK, the importer company is listed as "proposed to be struck off" the companies house register? Is someone else going to take up importing these?

I'd not heard anything, but if YLAC folds they are owners of various agreements with the CAA to allow import (or more to the point, issue of a UK Type Approved Permit to Fly), and those agreements which are built upon some incredibly expensive work by them will be the main asset of the company.

Another company could take this on, and that would certainly be a good thing, but I'm willing to bet that if YLAC do fold, whoever holds the assets will want a fair lump of money for ownership of those agreements.

G

dstevens 27th July 2009 18:27

Everyone needs to be very clear, YLAC are classed by the CAA as the manufacturer, not the importer/distributor, of the WT9 Dynamic. No YLAC, no new Dynamics. Aerospool are simply classed as the sub-contract company making the things, they do not own the rights to the UK derivative. If YLAC did cease to exist, whether the owner would be willing to pass on all the docs needed for someone else to take over is, as indicated by previous post, moot point!

Genghis the Engineer 27th July 2009 20:51


Originally Posted by dstevens (Post 5086863)
Everyone needs to be very clear, YLAC are classed by the CAA as the manufacturer, not the importer/distributor, of the WT9 Dynamic. No YLAC, no new Dynamics. Aerospool are simply classed as the sub-contract company making the things, they do not own the rights to the UK derivative. If YLAC did cease to exist, whether the owner would be willing to pass on all the docs needed for someone else to take over is, as indicated by previous post, moot point!

I'm sure they would, but certainly not for free. I was involved on the fringes of that certification project - it was huge, expensive, and the bill must have been well over Ģ100k; also the UK version Dynamic is not the same aircraft sold in other countries. That "manufacturer status" is the company's primary asset.

G

nick.marley 28th July 2009 00:32

As YLAC's CEO and 75% shareholder, I can clear up any misunderstanding here.

We are listed as "proposal to be struck off" on Companies House website only because our accounts were overdue. They have been completed now, and the website will be changed within the next few days.

YLAC is not going to fold - on the contrary, we are well capitalised and currently sales are going very well. Even if we were (and, I repeat, we are NOT!), there are no circumstances upon which it could appear on Companies House website - they are just a bunch of civil servants who give you a hard time if your accounts and/or annual return are late.

Genghis - try around Ģ300k for the bill for Type + Company Approvals (split ca. 80:20 between the two)! But thanks to your early support - and that of a group of other talented professionals - we achieved our goal and crossed the finish line.

Certification is long, long, long, long process. Luckily I was only 27 when I co-founded YLAC so had youth on my side (and hair then)!

Hope this helps. Safe and happy flying to all!

Nick

PS YLAC now on Twitter - check out www.twitter.com/yeomanlightair

renrut 28th July 2009 08:00

Roko Aero
 
It would be if it had a permit and was flying

KeyPilot 28th July 2009 08:59

Dynamic
 
Am I the only one to note that Reg-e's first post is one making negative comments about another company, and to wonder what his/her agenda might be?

Reg-e 28th July 2009 10:17

Just want to know if this rather nice machine is going to continue to be available here in the UK.

nick.marley 28th July 2009 11:17

Reg-e,

It is - check out my post above (which has only appeared some time after it was posted, as I am a mere "probabtionary ppruner") :{

Thanks,
Nick

Genghis the Engineer 28th July 2009 11:31


Originally Posted by nick.marley (Post 5088193)
Reg-e,

It is - check out my post above (which has only appeared some time after it was posted, as I am a mere "probabtionary ppruner") :{

Thanks,
Nick

I can't remember the number, but any new member's first few posts are delayed and moderated - it's a facility built into the website to fend of spam and flame-wars (and a large number of same do get trapped by the system).

Do a bit more posting, and the probationary bit will vanish.

I can't say I'm overly surprised by your Ģ300k+ bill, it was clear at the start that it wasn't going to be a quick and easy job, for a whole stack of reasons. However, I continue to be impressed that you made it through and hope you keep going for a fair while yet.

G

nick.marley 28th July 2009 13:44

Thanks for the info - and kind words - Genghis.

I would like to say the success was all down to my first-class project management skills, but I'd be lying through my teeth! It was purely and simply through being a tenacious Scouser (accent long since faded but spirit remaining) and refusing ever even to countenance defeat. Remember, the only team ever to have come back from 3-0 down to win the UEFA Champions League is Liverpool.

It is that spirit which got us through. Many said we couldn't do it, we proved them wrong.

batninth 28th July 2009 20:48


I would like to say the success was all down to my first-class project management skills, but I'd be lying through my teeth!
You got through didn't you? That makes the PM skills better than a lot of projects. Next time, I'd suggest you say that you had been using Agile Methods (see here)

Sam Rutherford 2nd December 2014 08:27

Long range tanks for Dynamic WT9?


Anyone know where they come from?


Thanks, Sam.


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