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Flag Track 24th June 2008 20:00

Gyroplane question.
 
Bone question; Can you fly gyros on a NPPL medical? Is there such an animal as a NPPL(G)?

jonkil 24th June 2008 22:36

Check out NPPL
Should answer your questions.

Crash one 25th June 2008 12:18

I would give them a ring & ask. I cannot find any reference to rotary (H or G) differences / ratings. I believe you can now do seaplane on a NPPL which was not possible a year ago, so may be worth asking.

Dean Abbott 25th June 2008 12:59

Gyroplane PPL
 
Training can be carried out by any CAA authorised Gyroplane Instructor, the qualification required to fly is the Private Pilots Licence (Gyroplanes), or PPL(G). The precise requirements for this vary according to your qualifications when you start, but can be summarised as:
Ab-initio (no previous licence held):
40 hours training under instruction. Of this approximately half will be flown with your instructor on board, and half flown solo. You will take a set of straightforward written exams.
Holders of fixed-wing or microlight PPLs:
Training requirements are reduced to 30 hours. Requirements for written exams are waived, other than the Aircraft Technical examination.
Full details of the PPL(G) requirements can be found in the CAA's LASORS publication.
Medical requirements are pretty straightforward. You will need a form signed by your GP declaring that you meet the same standards that the DVLA apply to professional drivers. You can pick up a copy of the form here.

shortstripper 25th June 2008 14:18


No, there are PPL(G), UK CPL(H&G) and UK ATPL(H&G). The latter two are no longer issued, and JAR-FCL equivalents do not have Gyroplane privileges.
So if there is no CPL for Gyro's, could you fly one for hire or reward with just a PPL? I think I know the answer, but I'd be interested to know what the thinking is?

SS

ShyTorque 25th June 2008 18:22


No, there are PPL(G), UK CPL(H&G) and UK ATPL(H&G). The latter two are no longer issued, and JAR-FCL equivalents do not have Gyroplane privileges.
Interesting news. How long since these were no longer issued? :confused:

Whirlygig 25th June 2008 18:25

Er ... about 6 years??? When JAA took over??

Cheers

Whirls

ShyTorque 25th June 2008 18:42

Ooh, no, I don't think so.

This might be a case of licences at dawn.... ten paces... draw! :}

(Actually, they probably no longer allow an initial issue but do allow renewals).

Whirlygig 25th June 2008 18:48

Is your chosen weapon semantics eh, ShyT?

Cheers

Whirls

'India-Mike 25th June 2008 19:06

Gyroplanes are a part of the CAA's Safety Plan 2008

SRG Safety Plan 2008 Update: SRG Safety Plan 2008 Update | Publications | CAA

Licensing developments seems to be mainly of interest to instructors and examiners, but the preparation of a Standards Document (44) might be one for all those interested to watch out for.

GyroSteve 25th June 2008 19:24

PPL(G)
 
The PPL(G) may become an NPPL(G) at some point, but it probably won't amount to much more than a change in the name. As there is no ICAO standard for Gyroplane licencing the PPL(G) is a UK-specific qualification.

As it is the PPL(G) uses the NPPL medical and the exams are the NPPL(M) ones with the exception of aircraft technical, and Air Law which has a couple of gyro-specific questions.

ShyTorque 25th June 2008 19:50


Is your chosen weapon semantics eh, ShyT?
Cheers
Whirls
No, my ATPL/HG was renewed late last year. It says HG on every page and twice on some pages.

All I need is a suitable aircraft..... That Fairey Rotodyne looks like a fine machine, I can't wait for them to come into service, cough... :8

Whirlygig 25th June 2008 20:20

I think the "semantics" here involve the words "issue" versus "renewal". To me (and probably the person who originally made the point!), the words "issue" and "renewal" do not mean the same thing!! :ok:

Cheers

Whirls

shortstripper 25th June 2008 20:23


No, you could not fly for hire and reward except in very limited circumstances - as a flying instructor for example. Otherwise at least a CPL would be required - same as for aeroplanes and helicopters.
I agree, but in a confused kind of way? If there isn't a CPL for gyroplanes then can they not be used for hire and reward full stop? Does it mean a gyro pilot can earn only if they have a CPL in another class? Perhaps nobody considers a gyro cannot be used to earn money? ... just wondering?

SS

ShyTorque 25th June 2008 21:17

As I pointed out / agreed in my post #10... What's the issue here? I merely asked a question in all innocence and somehow got berated for it.

Whirlygig 25th June 2008 21:36

Aw c'mon ShyT, there's no need to renew the issue!! :ok:

Cheers

Whirls

ShyTorque 25th June 2008 21:41

I was going to say "a licentious issue" .... but of course I would never post such a thing.

Thanks for the info.

Chuck Ellsworth 25th June 2008 23:26

If you want a Commercial Gyroplane Pilots License you can get one in the U.S.A..

GyroSteve 26th June 2008 18:28

Gyro CPL
 
There's no Gyro CPL in the UK because no-one has made a serious request for one. If you have a reason for wanting a CPL(G), and an aircraft on which you can exploit it (ie a gyro with a CofA or a Permit plus exemption for aerial work) then you'd need to work with the CAA on developing a set of requirements.

The CAA are aware that this may be needed at some point in the future.

ShyTorque 26th June 2008 22:25

GyroSteve,

Presumably I only need a type rating, as I already hold an ATPL(G)? This is a hypothetical question as I don't need to use that part of my licence.

Has anyone in UK done this in recent years, I wonder?


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