Wasn't BEagle a VC10 pilot? :D:D

Steady--you might fire off his Master Warning?

Why not fly schedule and remove all of you work load? Surely the art of light aircraft flying is being able to map read and navigate and besides if you have got that much of a work load you are not navigating properly.

How about a new idea? We debate the issues, without getting agressive or personal? :eek:

There are too many threads here recently that have degenerated into personal attack after personal attack. :(

dp

While the original question was serious, it was I admit, rather 'academic'. Generally speaking the only people who do the sort of high speed VFR flying I had in mind are the military and as IO540 correctly points out, why try flying around at high speed with just a map and stopwatch when the workload can be reduced by using other means...of course, and you probably wouldn't deliberately inflict that upon yourself. I was just interested to see what people thought...

llanfairpg am I missing something or did you actually mean Cranwell?

I think we should change the name from "Private flying" to " Is this the right room for an arguement?"

Yes you are missing something! The problem for many on here is they actually do not know who they are talking too!

One of the most interesting things about reading PPRuNe is guessing who the 'people behind the name' really are and who actually knows who in the real world. I could be a well versed 10 year old....

Wow! We are not worthy........... Please enlighten us o'master.... :p

Wilbur or Orville?

Hey, well dont blame me, I just answer posts in the style and manner they are posted in. You will not find me starting any posts by personal attack.

If you look back at these posts Chuck and Bose started off the personal attacks and its not exactly the first time either.

Now I am not particularly bothered by what they write but if they make a post directed at me I do reserve the right to reply.

I am sorry that you guys have to wade through all this rubbish but i will not be on here much longer anyway so you may get back to a quieter life.

Nipping flaming in the bud early prevents these people from continually getting away with personal insults but that sort of moderation dosnt exist on here, as BREL says if you dont like it go elsewhere and it seems quite a few have from when I was last on here.

Yes contact tower you have the intelligence to know what I mean--for Bose,

I know some of the people on here, some a lot more personally than they will ever know. Lets say I also know quite a few in Virgin too!

Happy guessing!

How about we add a facility that allows us to add a subtitle to each thread. Then this one could have a subtitle "the llanfairpg slugfest". The one about P1 on a clubcheck could have been "the DFC slugfest". I remember Bose-X and IO540 being a victim in the past too (sometimes of each other, I might add), and I'm pretty sure my time will come someday as well.

And then I don't even follow the IMC or Oban threads...:ugh:

(Mind you, this won't provide a solution if some people decide to spread the slugfest over two or more threads. For that, we also need to add a facility to select a few posters names and have the forum display all their recent posts in chronological fasion. I'm currently flipflopping back and forth between the difficult VFR speed and the P1/clubcheck thread to keep up.)

I can keep you up to speed on both

The IMC rating campaign is badly organised and conceived but there is a petition on the Downing St web site..

Oban costs £50,000 a month to run but is open for business unless the council decides to build houses on it.

OK chaps let's forget the nonsense one-liners - otherwise this forum will become like a certain other one.

It's interesting to discuss how fast one could fly VFR with different methods and at different heights.

At FL100, in "obvious terrain", I am sure flying at Mach1 is a piece of cake.

At 1000ft, in terrain devoid of clear features, you will be lost at 100kt soon enough. Your faith will have to be totally into flying an accurate heading etc.

In WW2, US Navy pilots were reportedly able to judge the wind from the appearance of the sea, well enough to find their carrier after say a 300nm leg over water - pretty amazing given that you had to be within maybe 10nm of it to find it (in daytime). Many didn't.

IMHO, flying at 1000ft at 250kt over SE Engoland, map and compass, if you don't know the place at all, in vis bad enough to not see the coastline from where you are, would not be easy. But a well trained person would be fine - until he makes a mistake.

250 kts at FL100 is easier than 250kts at 100ft.

I find if you pay the nice chaps at CAA some money, they give you a bit of paper saying you can go faster than 250kts below FL100, but only when in receipt of a radar service. Piece of paper has 12 months validity before they want more money.

And as for not doing 250kts in the circuit - it seems like a good speed to me to be at when calling "initials" and then heading down the runway at 500ft before pulling back on that stick thing between your legs and pulling the fan to idle. (Air brakes out too if you want, as you pull a climbing turn to get onto the downwind leg....)

Now you were the one that sank to insults when you ran out of wit!!! And I was just needling you for a bit of fun!!!!!

When you were checking people out on the Wassemer were they logging P1 u/S?



Backpacker i'll have you know that IO and I are friends and we are smart enough to know when a bit of needling is going on!!! :p

So what sort of planes are you boys in doing 400kts skirting around Southern England low-level controlled airspace without radar service?

only civvy aircraft I can think of that might be pootling around at 400 kts in the SE of England would be Gnats or Hunters.....

Interesting thread, if you read between the slanging matches.

Mind you, even reading between the slanging matches, there's still no answer been given.

Two stories which might be relevant, both, coincidentally, from when I was working at Blackpool.

The first was overheard on the radio as a B737 was being vectored by ATC "under possitive radar control" in Class G airspace. He complained to the controller, quite angrilly, that he'd nearly hit a microlight, and would be filing an airprox as soon as he landed. The controller, very professionally, replied that the microlight was not squawking, is too small to show up on his primary radar, and was operating outside controlled airspace without speaking to anyone, as is his right, therefore it is the responsibility of both pilots to see and avoid.

The second was also overheard on the radio, as my boss got airbourne in a Cessna Citation for a short VFR flight. Once airbourne, he asked the controller for a handover to Manchester for a transit through their zone. After a short pause, the controller replied that Manchester had said they wanted him to go down the Low Level Route if he was VFR. Several weeks later, I asked him about this. He went rather white, mumbled something about getting tangled up with a Pitts doing aeros in the Barton overhead, then wandered off saying "never again, never again".

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D SQDRN 97th IOTC: Wrong! Civil registered ex military aircraft authorised to exceed 250kt below 10,000 in class G must be receiving a radar service to do so.