BCT Fraud at Kemble
 

Hi Zorst. Thanks for your input.

These buggers are simply awful people. They prey on nice people and continue to get away with taking there money.

I hope they get what is comming to them!

Hi Vertiginous, Thanks again for your support. I do not know exactly what they are/were. At the time I paid the money they were a vat registered company (company, I think meaning ltd) what they were at the time the phone was put down on me and I was informed there was nothing PS could do to help me (creep), I have no idea what the organization was. I know from others that BCT did not have a valid AOC (what ever that is) when they were flying people around doing sight-seeing/etc flights and that vat bills were not offered on payment of flights despite being informed their rates included vat. In fact the old BCT web site price list verified the inclusion of vat. PS was, according to himself running the fiasco at that time. Perhaps the flying authorities should be included in the chain of interested investigative parties.

Certain individuals will be arrested shortly
 

Well well. Flybuddy, you done good. Keep us all informed, won't you. Remember to post any photos you might come by of red-hot pokers being used on guilty persons.

Oh, what I would give to hear our dear friend, yours and mine, talking utter gibberish to HMRC.

Have an e-beer on me.

Thanks Virtiginous.

Companies House are showing the following:

Trans-International Airways Ltd,
Building 9,
Kemble Airfield,
GL7 6BA

Date of incorporation: 9/8/2006

Directors:

Secretary Ms J Shanley 20/11/1966,
Director P.J. Shanley 20/6/1964

Finance director:

Christopher Mewis

Previous directors:

M.C.Litten 1/6/73
R.A.Brown 6/12/60

Change of directors 17/10/06
Last paperwork at Companies House was 3/10/2007 but it does not say what.

Also has the Shanley's home address on it...

Good grief
 

What a shower. Tracing Bob Brown is not likely to be easy, but I maintain that you will never get anything whatever out of Pawl Shanley except possibly the pleasure of passing HMRC or the police enough information to get him in front of a district judge.

It was always clear that BCT was not liquidated properly. Ownership of its assets appears to have been simply assumed by a new company, which was then promptly merged with another firm. As a method of avoiding paying debts to BCT's creditors, this is pretty crass, and up to the standard of imbecility I would expect from Pawl Shanley.

If BCT was not properly liquidated — as appears to be the case — the police should be contacted. The winding-up of BCT seems to have been fraudulent, and I can't believe the police would simply brush off the contents of this message-board (and a fistful of VAT receipts) without at least making a few basic enquiries.

The creditors should present an outline of the matter to the police. There is nothing to be lost, after all.

Good luck.

Contact P and A Partnership
Queens Road
Sheffield
They handled the liquidation of BCT Aircraft Leasing
They must have the accounts and therfore must have a record of your debt.
Have you a copy of the invoce ?

Bct Aviation Kemble Saga
 

Hi Driver 21, yes I do.
M

BCT Aviation Kemble
 

Dear Andy, thank you for your support. It is helpful to know their are people out there that care!.
M

Reminds me so much of Northumbria Flying School...a Director there made off with money back in 2004 and the school went bust, but thankfully arose from the ashes.

Attn. Driver 21 (‘Beware’)
 

It's worth bearing in mind that Flybuddy isn't the only aggrieved party to have contributed to this thread, the previous character of Pawl Shanley is known to me and is entirely consistent with the events described, and the circumstances of the creation of TIA and its subsequent merger do not suggest that BCT was wound up in such a way as to give its creditors much of a shout.

Your post hints at something that should be stated outright: what allegations are being made against Flybuddy in the bar-rooms of the world? And do they really serve to counter the anger of BCT's former customers over the loss of their money and their treatment at the hands of the genius Pawl Shanley?

HMMM
 

Hey There,

Have Just Been Reading The Thread About Pawl Shanley And Am Quite Concerned As He Has Recently Contacted Me About Another Matter And I Had Thought He Was A Decent Guy But Now Am Reconsidering That Thought!!
I Am Glad I Havent Started Business Dealings With Him And Am Also Glad That I Research The People That I Am Going To Do Business With! Does Anyone Know Who Jane Is? Is That His Wife /sister / Mother??

Thanks

Hi Frost100 And Welcome, Nice Post Indeed.

I would just like to remind everybody to think carefully before they post on this thread..... Thanks. :)

Bct Saga
 

Hi Vertiginous,

I do not know what to say about Driver 21. I understood from his earlier thread that he was offering assistance having provided details about BCT but it would seem from what he has said in his later thread that not only does he know a lot about BCT (almost as though he was a part of the business) but also feels the need to slander me.

The bottom line is I paid a lot of money with a vat invoice being supplied for the charter of their AOC aircraft and pilot and was not offered either the flying or a refund when it was clear they were not going to honour my credit. Why am I now being attacked?

M

BCT thread
 

Hi frost100

In the 29th April thread there is info on J Shanley but it does not say what the relationship is to Mr P Shanley. I have been informed he is married so it could be that J is his wife. Sorry I cannot give more help.

APOLOGY to Mr B Brown
 

I have received a private message from Mr B Brown asking for an apology as his name has been used without confirmation of his involvement. The contents of his message provided considerable information indicating he was one of the original partners in BCT but has not been involved in the recent poor dealings of the company. In fact he has personally accrued considerable debts as a result of his earlier involvement in BCT.

I therefore apologise for the inclusion of his name which was supplied by a fellow PPrune member as part of a large report on BCT and it's final days. I have removed this thread at the request of Mr Brown.

I am still owed the money that I paid for the charter flying I was not given but at this time do not know for sure who owes me the money.

BCT thread
 

Hi BRL

Why, do you not think it is good for people to offer assistance and support to those who have lost money.

BCT thread
 

Hi XL319, I know what you mean. It is a shame these people are out there, happy to take other's money. I will never make the mistake of paying in advance for anything again. They saw me comming.

It serves as a reminder to people not to post anything that could be libelous as it is us here behind the scenes who have to deal with it all.

It is also to try and prevent the situation happening that you brought to my attention in your email to me today. (slanderous posts........)

Reply to BRL
 

Hi BRL,
Thank you. This whole situation is very upsetting. I have lost a lot of money and have been provided with considerable support showing I am not alone with my problem. I was advised to post the details about BCT which I did after clarifying it was ok to post the author's contents but in hindsight perhaps should not have mentioned names but the details alone. I think perhaps I was used by others to voice their personal feelings about BCT and to no benefit to this thread or my financial loss.

Where to go from here. I find myself being slandered without provocation when infact I am the victim.

Attn. Flybuddy
 

Driver 21's curious post about you seems to have disappeared. That sort of stuff needs to be justified quite rigorously, so maybe he wasn't able to do that. Don't worry about it. It's clear you're not alone in your dealings with BCT.

As to the question of who Jane Shanley is, I can reveal that when I knew Pawl (when he was Pawl Couzens) (newcomers will perhaps need to start at the beginning to follow this) his girlfriend was a very pleasant and apparently sensible girl called Jane.

Funny old world.

As to the business of Pawl seeming quite sound on the basis of what he says (Frost100's post), I can say with some confidence that what Pawl says and what he does are not even distantly related.

And Frost100 — please don't capitalise every word, or Cary Grant's cropsprayer will come after you. :)

Bct situation
 

Hi Virtiginous, thanks once again. There are some really nasty people out there!

I hope PPrune track this nice person down and have a word.

It is bad enough having a lot of money taken from you, it is even worse to be slandered as well.

Kemble Update
 

It would appear everybodies favourite flying school people are at it again... this time in the guise of "Cotswold Flying Club" see: The Cotswold Flying Club @ Kemble

Apparently the company is "TIA flight training Ltd" now

Yet another manifestation of this guy Shanley...

I heard a rumour that he was fired from the other place and was so agrieved he went off and started yet another school. Must be worth following up??

AOCcrazy

Yes had a look through the site of the CFC.

After reading through the "impressive" waffle, the only thing that was left out was the names of the owners or directors or any management for that matter.

This must ring alarm bells for anyone! It did for me!


flybuddy

"It is bad enough having a lot of money taken from you, it is even worse to be slandered as well."

Welcome to British/European law!! Law is not about justice! I learnt that a long time ago. No wander people are tempted to take the law into their own hands.

From the regs of the aircraft shown on their website, and G-Info:

G-FPSA - PA-28

DEEP CLEAVAGE LTD
SHUTTERN HOUSE
UPPER HIGH STREET
TAUNTON
TA1 3PX

G-CEJF - PA28 and G-GBFF - C-172

STEPHEN JOHN SKILTON
TRADING AS:
AVIATION RENTALS
7 PADDOCK FIELD
CHILBOLTON
STOCKBRIDGE
SO20 6AU

Domain info:

Registrant:
Trans International Flight Training
The Flight Centre
D Site, Kemble Air Field
Kemble, Gloucestershire GL7 6BA
GB

Domain name: COTSWOLDFLYINGCLUB.COM

Administrative Contact:
Kelly, Liam http://source.domaintools.com/email....5D=transparent
The Flight Centre
D Site, Kemble Air Field
Kemble, Gloucestershire GL7 6BA
GB
07890202552

trans-internationairways.com is registered to Shanley, as I'm sure you know.

Companies House Law on Disclosure of Business Information
 

It has long been the law that any limited company and limited liability partnership follows certain disclosure requirements on company stationary, but from Jan 2007 this now includes company websites and emails. £1,000 fine for non compliance!

A summary is found here:
Business stationery / Translations

Perhaps Companies House would also be interested in the failure to provide this information, which a cynic could say was deliberate in CFC's case?

What an absolutely crap website that is! The spelling and grammar are appalling.

TIA Flight Training Ltd t/a Cotswold Flying Club
 

Hello everyone,

Im the sole director of TIA Flight Training Ltd t/a Cotswold Flying Club.

I would appreciate if you have a complant about my company you bring it to my face and not post rumours about me on this internet. I, Liam Kelly have only been involved in the aviation industry for no more than two months. I have had nothing to do with any of the other flying schools on the airfield on a business level at all. I joined The Flying Club Kemble <a href="http://www.theflyingclubkemble.com">The Flying Club Kemble</a> back in Feb 2008 as a student where i passed my PPL. Pawl Shanley was at the time working at The Flying Club Kemble on ops as i beleave Ed Hewertson and Pawl Shanley merged Propstar Flight Training Ltd and TIA Aviation Flight Training Ltd (the old BCT) back in late 2007. Pawl recently left Propstar Flight Training Ltd <a href="http://www.flypropstar.com">Propstar</a> PropStar Aviation - Private aircraft travel from Gloucestershire to concentrate on Trans-International Airways his aircraft charter brokerage. This is when i approced Pawl asking him to give me some guidence into running my own flying school, as he was short of office space i agread to rent him space to run the flight charter company from my new offices on D-site, Kemble. I asked Pawl if he minded me using the name TIA for my new venture and he abliged and gave me permision, i then decided to trade as Cotswold Flying Club under the TIA Flight Training Ltd banner. TIA Flight Training Ltd is a new company and im the sole director, it has no connections with any other company that may have been present on the airfield in the past.
Iv had a read of the other threads on this forum and see that some of you are looking for Mathew Litton, i belave you will find he is running another company on the airfield LAW Aviation ltd <a href="http://www.lawaviation.aero/">Law Aviation Ltd</a> LAW Aviation - Home

If any one would like to discuss this matter further or belave any one owes you money etc then please feel free to get in contact, our offices are based on D-site at Kemble airfield, accross the road from the old BCT office. Our phone number is 01285 898229 or my email is [email protected]

And please don't post any more coments about my buiness, i have told you all i know and hope this informs you of anything you did not already know.

Regards
Liam

For info

According to Companies House Liam is Sole Director of TIA Flight Training Ltd and Cotswold Flying Club@Kemble Ltd

I have no connection with him or his companies.

Mike

Bet that took all of five minutes. Hope you are following his advice to the letter :E

Oh no...
 

Liam —

It must have come as a shock to read this thread. But perhaps, having read it, you can appreciate how and why it came into being.

I hope you do well with your business and keep your punters happy. The first step on the road to achieving this is to ignore everything Pawl Shanley says. Be straightforward with everyone, abstain from bull!!!!, and you will go far.

:ok:

And another thing
 

Liam, make sure you get a solicitor and an accountant to check over all of the paperwork you inherited from PS. Everything. Get them to go back as far as possible. It'll be worth the expense, believe me. You need to know ASAP about the contents of all closets.

I see Pawl Shanley/Couzens is a member of "The Team"

The Cotswold Flying Club @ Kemble - The Team

Well is he or isn't he?

Booted out.
 

Mr Shanley/Couzens and Mr Liam Kelly aka The Cotswold Flying club have been asked not to operate from Kemble and to remove their aircraft.

So, what about Trans-International Airways - the outfit that Mr. Shanley/Couzens now seems to be responsible for?

Assuming you have "inside" knowledge of the workings at Kemble!

FBW

Well well...
 

I suspect that Liam Kelly is a victim of fate. Anyone whose dreams are shot down simply because they found themselves in the same office as Pawl Shanley deserves sympathy. But it does look as though someone at Kemble has finally become aware that Mr Shanley is not doing much for their reputation, and they took appropriate action.

I can't imagine Pawl Shanley's business — TIA or whatever he wants to call it — surviving long in the current climate, wherever they're based.

Trans International Airways.
 

TIA appear to have no aircraft its just an office a website and
Mr Shanley/Couzens,the same office as The Cotswold Flying Club.

Seems the inevitable has happened!!
 

It is rumoured and this is a rumour network, that a new flying training company recently set up at Kemble airfield are no longer trading!!

It is further rumoured that the two individuals concerned are off to sunny Spain to set up a flying school at Jerez!!! UMMM isn't there a big flying organisation there? Seems like an awfully good business idea to set up there me thinks!! NOT....I wonder who could have dreamt of such a thing!!

Incidently guys it seems all those who purchased trial lesson vouchers this xmas may not get their flights due to the on going politics on Kemble airfield and the supposed cessation of trading of said company!

Can I have a show of hands of those who are not surprised at this information......

As these fellas have now gone the way of the dodo I feel like sharing my tale of woe, though not nearly as great a woe as other posters.

Last year I was interested in starting my PPL again. I have 32 hours gained under the BCT banner a few years back and although they may not count much for my skills after all that time I thought that I'd best get some proof of them in any case. I called the CAA and they said to get copies of my student records or draw up an affidavit with a solicitor.

Queue phone call to Cotswold Flying Club to ask about my student records. They were politely obstructive at first. They claimed ignorance of their responsibilities under the CAA to keep student records for BCT students. I have a letter from Aero School Kemble saying that they'd taken on the BCT membership. Am I incorrect in thinking that Aero School Kemble later became or was incorporated into Cotswold Flying School? I eventually got through to Pawl Shanley himself and I asked politely what the story was. He had to close all the doors and windows in his office before he spoke because he said it was noisy. I did not hear any background noise. Never the less we got talking and Pawl pointed the finger at Matt Litten but said he'd do his best to help me out and phone me back if he found anything.

That phone call never came so I contacted Matt Litten who I don't know very well, but he wasn't very surprised to be blamed when I contacted him to ask about the records. His story is exactly as put forward in this thread. He agreed to sign anything that might be necessary to verify my logbook as true.

I have yet to call in that favour but thank you Captain Matt! :ok:

I think you are a little confused here. BCT were a Registered Facility and the Responsible Person nominated in the application for registration is the person who is responsible for all Training Records. There is no legal requirement to keep such records for any finite period of time though the CAA recommend 3 years. There is no documented procedure to deal with Registered Facilities that cease trading other than that they are required to notify the CAA that they are no longer trading. In the past, records from RFs that have notified their demise have been sent to the CAA for safe keeping. They should not be transferred to another organisation. You should ask the CAA for details of the responsible person!