Class Rating Instructor
 

I am doing a CRI course next week and wondered if anyone here had done one. What did they think of it?

I did consider this some time ago, but ended up doing the full FI/CPL in my spare time.

The thought was that I could do some of the more interesting stuff like tailwheel conversions, as well as club currency checks and 2 yearly instructor trips.

I should imagine that many clubs would welcome being able to off-load some of this, especially at weekends. I'd be interested to find out how you get on once you've got it.

I find the CRI type instruction to be as enjoyable and rewarding as the ab-initio stuff. It often gives you the chance to fly with, and learn from, some very experienced pilots.

What does a Class Rating Instructor do?

What additional privilidiges does a FI have over a Class Rating Instructor and vice versa?

dp

I have a done the CPL/IR stuff but did not want to become an FI.

A CRI can't teach ab-initio, night, IMC or IR/CPL but can teach Multi Engine ratings, tailwheel, type conversions, complex conversions, bi annual flight with an instructor, refresher training etc.

We have lots of interesting aircraft at our place that I get to fly and a lot of based aviators who are orphaned from flying clubs so I figured I could do the tailwheel training and renewals etc. There was a lot of enthusiasm for it from our based flyers so I thought I would go for it!

Is there any supervisory restriction to begin with like an FI or are you on your own from day 1?

Are you doing it at On-track at Wellesbourne?

No supervisory restriction as you are not ab initio training. I guess the reason why you have to have so many P1hrs to do the rating and so many hours on each rating you want to teach.

What do you have to do to get the CRI?

What are the hours requirements you speak of?

Sorry to have so many questions, but you are sparking my interest!

dp

You need 300hrs P1. You need to pass the groundschool and flight training (spin training etc.) you need 30hrs on each rating you want to teach and each type within the rating.

You have to do the CRI (SEP) for SEP and the CRI (MEP) to teach the twin rating. You get credit from the ground school if doing the SEP and the MEP at the same time which is what I am doing.So basically I can run MEP courses and then have an examiner do the test as normal.

Thanks for that Bose. Must appreciated.

It will probably be another year to 18 months before I have the 300 P1. Might be of interest then.

dp

I did the CRI-MEPL earlier this year, great course; also for a PPL, since it doesn't need a CPL or CPL theory pass.

I think training for the MEP Class rating needs to be within an approved FTO. As an "independent" CRI you can only do recurrent and differences training.

rgds
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Yep you are right, but that does not present a problem for my cunning plan....

If you are interested in IMC/IR teaching, there is a CRI-like rating for IFR training called the IRI. Like the CRIs, it doesn't require a full FI, just a JAA IR. I don't remember the exact requirements, but they are not huge. I think it's 200hrs of actual IMC or 800hrs under IFR. The training is about 10hrs dual (?). It's interesting because the CRI/IRI route let's you do a lot of advanced training without ever doing the CPL theory or the ab-initio FI training.

Thats exactly the route I want to go! Any details?

Sorry, you do need the CPL
The place I did my CRI is BCFT Bournemouth also does the IRI, great school
http://www.bcft.org.uk/flyinginstructorcourseiri.shtml

You can also teach areo's as well with no further tests :D

Also most plane insurance has added on the bottom to any named pilots.

"And holders of an Instuctors rating"

This is a link to ontrack http://www.ontrackaviation.com/cri-se.htm site. I have no link to them at all.

And http://www.ontrackaviation.com/iri.htm for the IRI apparently they don't require the CPL.

My mate did the CRI SEP course with John, throughly enjoyed it.

Just verified the IRI does not need a CPL. (Lasors)

I also meet the requirements for it so I guess it has a place in the grand plan.

It is interesting how much can be taught post ab initio by a PPL.

I believe that the CRI was abit of a suprise for the CAA.

It came with the introduction of JAR and nobody had much clue about it apart from it had appeared in the grand scheme of things without anyone looking at it.

For what it costs it is a particularly powerful rating.

The renewal requiments are far less than the FI rating (and much cheaper)

And you can gain a CRE ontop of that as well for a considerable sum. So you can sign for ratings as well.

The aerobatics bit is a slight oddity.

There is nothing to stop a bare minimum PPL from going out and doing aeros in a suitable machine with no training, as there is no legal requirement for formal training.

Giving instruction, however, is aerial work; so if you don't have an FI or CRI, you are not covered by the exemption to perform aerial work. Further to that, an FI or CRI can't give aerobatic instruction unless the limitation has been removed from their licence.

At what point a bit of informal coaching becomes formal instruction may be up to debate, but the giving of aerobatic instruction formally does require an instructor qualification (unless I'm mistaken).

Its a bit of a loophole in the CRI.

There are no restrictions on the license. (there wasn't on the one I looked at)

We were discussing this in the pub after it arrived and it appeared that a CRI can do the IMC approaches and sign for them with no additional training and also train someone at night. They can even sign students out solo as long as the student has previously held a license/ rating.

This is after.
1hr of PFL's
1hr of circuits.
1hr of stalling and steep turns.

All because its not training for a new rating/qualification. It really is in it's current form a very powerful rating. For the price of a FI rating, bose-x in the space of 2 weeks over 2 years depending how much instructing he does could be a CRI/CRE SEP/MEP limited to renewals and revalidations. Sign rating pages and do IMC tests.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_fcl_21_v4.pdf Caa examiner doc

http://www.jaa.nl/publications/jars/563247.pdf JAR-FCL 1 (watch out its big)

Except that you can't be remunerated if its a PPL!