"The 20mins aero trip to none PPL holders is a bit suspect anyway because the training, which all trial flights are ment to be, isn't towards any known exercise in the PPL."

In the UK, this loophole was closed last year. Trial flights involving aerobatics for non-licence holding pilots shall not be conducted by anyone unless that person holds a FI Rating with the 'no aerobatics' restriction removed. Period.

It is crazy to suggest that someone could be a CRI conducting aerobatic training for years and years, then upgrade to FI only to find that, unless the 'no aerobatics' restriction was deleted, he/she could no longer teach aerobatics!!

There is an initiative to require that anyone teaching aerobatics, whether paid or not, must hold at least a CRI Rating and that he/she has also completed the same training and testing as is required for the removal of the 'no aerobatics' restriction pertaining to FI Ratings. In other words, possess the skill sets relevant to CRI instructing and the teaching of aerobatics. So, no need for CPL or CPL level knowledge if such instruction was given without remuneration. However, to teach/demonstrate aerobatics to non-licence holders, a FI Rating with the 'no aerobatics' restriction would still be needed.

The aims of this are:

1. To ensure that the 'trial flight aeros' brigade are appropriately regulated.
2. To ensure that all aerobatic instruction is given by those who have demonstrated the ability to instruct.

However, when the proposal was put to the CAA, some idiot just answered a different question.....:hmm:

So what are the rules then BEagle?

There are still a few folk out there doing aero trips in Pitts to none license holders and to my knowledge the Pitts isn't a public cat aircraft.

They are also not operating through a RFTO or whatever a PPL school needs to have.

And showing my lack of knowledge what are the learning objectives of EX3?
surely its not just sit back and look out the window. I always taught lookout, training area landmarks, the different instruments and there interpretation and it all so exposed them to what the learning enviroment was going to be. And allowed me to work out what my teaching method was going to be with them.

It was about enough for the 30mins its allocated on a first flight. So if you do 1,2,3 together you had just enough time in 1.5 hours. Which was why I always did the ex3 again even if they had taken a lets get a photo of the house trial flight before.

"There is an initiative to require that anyone teaching aerobatics, whether paid or not, must hold at least a CRI Rating and that he/she has also completed the same training and testing as is required for the removal of the 'no aerobatics' restriction pertaining to FI Ratings."

What is the evidence to support the need for such a change?