Bose-x

"A current SEP pilot should be able to fly any other similar SEP with little effort."

Oh, so going from a C152 to say a Tiger Moth or fast VP taildragger wouldn't take you more than just a couple of circuits then? That I would like to see!

I wouldn't classify a C152 or a Mooney as a "similar" SEP type. I don't think Bose is either.

Going from a 150 to a PA28 isn't difficult. It just takes a bit of practice and a good read of the manuals.

I jump between them upto 6 times a day and I've never had any problems.

I would train on the 152 and convert later. It's nice to have experience flying different types.

Quite agree on that! I only have 50 hours logged and have seen one already! Came across it on the first walkarounds I did by myself and felt like a bit of a tit having to ask my instructor if the nose gear strut was supposed to be completely compressed while parked!

Arrestahook,

How could you possibly consider a C152 to be "similar" to a Tiger Moth? Similar means any aircraft with fixed pitch, tricycle u/c weighing less than 5700kg and with similar glide performance. eg. a DA40 would presumably be different to a C172 if you want to land in short fields (even the DA40 demo pilot had to go around at EGHA a few weeks ago).

Speedbird, a blown seal or nitrogen loss results in the oleo being "flat", when the nose gear collapses, it's the entire strut giving way leading to the nose of the a/c contacting the ground causing the prop to get bashed.

It's usually caused by people approaching at too high a speed and forcing the a/c down onto the nose wheel instead of going around or holding it in the flare. A very common and expensive occurance!

RTFQ!
 

OK my apologies for the oversight of the word "similar" - but I don't believe any conversion can be successfully achieved in a "couple of circuits"!!

Thats 'co you have a vested interest buddy....... :)

As pointed out I was referring to the standard spam cam rides not the exotic hotships oe classics. Of course a moth requires a level of expertise as would something like the Pitts (even Instructors manage to spread the under carriage............ :ok: )

And if you are going to quote me quote the correct text!!!

<I have never taken more than a couple of circuits to get the feel of another SEP>

And none of the checkouts you signed me off on took that long.... ;)

Late jump in for me here (as usual) but before starting out on my course, I trialled in both the Cessna and the PA28.
The Cessna was the cheaper option @ £95 per hour but the warrior was the more comfortable aircraft for me so even though I am now paying £20 per hour more, I am happy with my decision.

The message I keep hearing through this thread is the PA28 is a bit more expensive to hire and run but is overall the more robust, and roomier and altogether nicer to fly.

The low wing also makes spotting other aircraft easier generally.:)

What is the comparative running costs of these 2 aircraft?

It sounds like hire costs might be 15% higher for the PA28. Anything else need considering?

What would (say) a 20% share in each a/c cost?

So would I. Except a Tiger Moth or fast VP taildragger isn't similar SEP. From a C152, I would consider the following as similar (not exhaustive):

C172
PA28 (fixed gear, fixed prop)
AA5A
AA5B
TB9/10
Beagle Pup
T-67A

IMHO, none of the above should require more than a couple of hours for an average PPL to assimilate to from a C152. As soon as you bring taildraggers, retractables or wobbly props into the equation, things start to change.;)

My 2p worth

I was trained on PA28 and have c150 hours on them. I recently checked out on a C172 Diesel. I loved the 172, being able to look straight down is great and I also found the 172 really easy to fly, it's so forgiving and doesn't even get nasty in a full stall, it's lovely. As Bose X said, all that was required was a trip out of the zone, stalls, steep turns, PFL and back in for flapless, glide and normal approach. My landings weren't as nice as I would like, but I'm sure that I'll sort them out once I've done a few.

To give you an idea of cost difference, Solent School of flying charge £140 for the C172, £145 for a Cherokee 140 and £150 for a warrior (all exc VAT).
If I could only fly 1 type then it would be the PA28 because of the greater load capacity, but I just love the 7 hours endurance, no carb icing, no mixture and great visibility of the C172 diesel.

SW