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IO540,

That's very interesting.

Time to do more investigating, I think.

Thanks!

TPK:ok:

WOW!

IO540, I owe you, big time! :D

JAR-FCL 3.345 [Colour perception for issue of a Class 2 medical] says...

Quote:

..blah, blah, Ishihara, blah, Lantern Test... (c) An applicant who fails the acceptable colour perception tests is to be considered colour unsafe and shall be assessed as unfit. (d) A colour unsafe applicant may be assessed by the AMS as fit to fly by day only.

My interpretation of this is (c) you will be assessed unfit, (d) unless your AME says you are safe really, but shouldn\'t fly at night. Is this correct? I assume it must be, since I have a Class 2 medical which I wouldn\'t otherwise have.

Note paragraph (d) is missing from the Class 1 section.

The only reference I can find regarding what medical requirements there are for which ratings is at http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_fcl_01.pdf, section 2.1.8 which states:

Quote:

Applicants must be in possession of a JAA Class 1 medical certificate at the time of the test. PPL (IR) applicants require JAA Class 2. [...]

Now, I don\'t know what a PPL(IR) is, unless it is a reference to somebody trying to add an IR to their PPL, as opposed to somebody trying to add an IR to their CPL.

Is that all correct? :confused: I can\'t find any reference to the additional ECG requirement you mentioned.

Now, to the fly in the ointment. Section 2.1.5 of the aforementioned document states that an applicant must hold a PPL with Night Rating or a CPL. Of course, I can\'t get a Night Rating! Is it possible that this will be waived provided I stick to my \'by day only\' restriction? :{

Rgds,

TPK:ok:

TPK

A PPL(IR) is just a PPL with an IR. You need a Class 2 medical only. You need a Class 1 for a CPL or an ATPL.

Very few people are now doing a PPL/IR; most go the FAA PPL/IR route. There are a number of reasons for this but basically JAA have all but killed the IR for noncommercial pilots.

However, I cannot find in the PDF you gave the requirement for the extra audiogram (which is taken from the Class 1 medical) required for anyone doing a JAA IR. THIS IS VERY INTERESTING and unless this document is incomplete and there is another one, this is clearly a change that's happened in the last year or two.

I have it in writing from the CAA that I can never do an IR, because of having one out of spec ear. I raised this with a CAA official a couple of years ago and the reason he gave me was to make sure people can communicate on the radio - which given a mono headset is demonstrably nonsense.

Your PDF just says

"Applicants must be in possession of a JAA Class 1 medical certificate at the time of the test. PPL (IR) applicants require JAA Class 2. "

Can anyone familiar with this regulation comment?

IO540,

Sorry, you said audiogram, not ECG. There is something about needing a class 2 medical AND compliance with JAR-FCL3.355(b). LASORS Section E1.1, Medical Fitness refers.

TPK:ok:

Thepirateking,
come into the medical forums, there is a big section on CVD pilots, myself knowing an awful lot about it as I am CVD too, but am lucky enough to hold a class 1, altho with alot of effort. PM if u want.