I like it bose-x and FD :D


More than an element of truth in what you say.

And for the above. If the FI has done there PPL in Florida there hour building in Florida and their CPL over there. IR in UK you won't go near one. The first time they have heard f one is there RT test and then next time will be a lesson.

Anyway as the goverment seems determined that they are going to shut down the RAF there should me alot fewer MATZ in the future. Unfortunatly this will mean alot few LARS as well.

MJ

One small point from a controller: Get your air force proper ATC like the rest of the wold, and get one set of rules for everybody.
Works everywhere else.

Would make things a lot easier, don't you think? :E

Never going to happen M8.

And they still think that the civi controllers don't know what they are doing :D. Differnet rules, different RT and they actually think that we have to do what they tell us to do in Class G :D

MJ

Good point MJ. And not just the US trained people. A chap I knew came over from New Zealand and did his CPL here, and said he'd never been through a MATZ. And if he does an FI course, he'll be too busy learning how to teach the basics to worry about that.

FIs are expected to know everything. They don't. They should know the basics. But what is considered basic depends on where you trained and what sort of flying you do. However, they should at least know where to direct the student for the information. "I don't know" or "I think it's..." are not good enough. "I'm not sure, but go get a copy of LASORS from over there and we'll look it up together", not only gives the student the answer, but teaches him/her how to find his own answers. It also shows them that to be a pilot you don't need a superhuman memory, just know where to find the information you need.

That can be rectified by one simple flight with an Instructor. If I were an instructor, I'd want to know everything that may get asked / expected of me................But I think that some are too eager to operate the landing gear of a 737, earning the big bucks, and probably don't really give two hoots about "flying"...just an observation I've made over the past 4 years.

Anyway, you can always go above the MATZ.....

EA ;)

Not round here, not this year - you can sometimes go above the MATZ, and even then you can sometimes be forced down into it by a low lump of cloud (Marham is very impressive from overhead).

Guys thanks for all the replies advice,Yes the real reason i posted this was the FIs advice that didnt seem to answer my question!!!I am planning a flight up to norfolk and because of the military bases I wanted to be 100% sure as to what the transit clearence gave me

cheers

Oh, here we go again. A 'My training is better than your training' thread.

I could make a fancy JAA instructor look pretty stupid in US airspace if I was nasty enough to do so, and I am sure a JAA person could make a fancy FAA instructor look pretty stupid in Euroland too. At least the FAA instructor is almost guaranteed to have an IR. If you ever get to listen to Approach control at a US Class B airport you will hear JAA trained Virgin and JAA trained British Airways pilots making radio transmissions which are as sloppy (and safe) as their American colleagues.

Just be aware that a 250 hour instructor in both regimes really is a kid and has a lot to learn, and by the time he reaches 1250 hours, he still has a lot to learn too! Whirlybird has it right, a good instructor will get the book out and look it up with the student, no harm in admitting you don't know everything and no shame in asking for help either., no matter how many hours you have.

Bellend - if you mean Lakenheath/Mildenhall be aware that the controllers are American. Although they attempt to follow standard UK MATZ/radar service procedures they sometimes lapse into the American way of doing things.

One oddity: they always give you a squawk BEFORE asking you to mess your passage...

Tim

Not that odd - I often do the same (or maybe I'm odd too ;) )

Yup you are! But nice with it!

Excellent service at Filton.

FD

(PS This is not to infer that the Lakenheath lot are not nice but I don't know them as well as Chili!)

Ham

Although the Reds may be operating in EG R313 at week-ends it is only officially active if a NOTAM is sent to that effect. Operating hours EG R313 Mon-Fri 0830-1700 (times local).

Regards

Pie

Pieman,

I assume from your (presumably mil?) ATCO background that you are technicaly correct but whether it's "officially" active or not, butting heads with 10 or 11 jets will definitely spoil your day!

HP

tim thanks for the advice,I will brush up on my american!! geez beloney aloominum etc hahaha

cheers

A few weeks ago I was approaching Benson MATZ on a Sunday. I made the standard three calls for MATZ transit with no reply so assumed that they were closed.

A few minutes later, on the same frequency, I heard what sounded like an exec. jet being cleared onto the ILS at Benson.

I called again and still got no answer and began to suspect my radio. Tried on Box 2 and still got no response. The radios worked perfectly for the rest of the day.

It seems very odd to me that they showed no interest in what I was doing when they were expecting IFR traffic.

I actually played safe and climbed above the MATZ although it involved going a lot higher to remain clear of cloud.

Any chance you just heard the airborne part of an exchange with Belfast Aldergrove on 120.9?

Bookworm,

An interesting thought but we were hearing the Controller loud and clear.