John - excellent news mate...........this is what it says on my certificate:

"You defied gravity and and joined that elite band of aviators who flew then landed safely on Terra Firma".

Well done mate ;)

Cheq - I find that the biggest bonus for me now is not having to worry about studying for exams/uni etc. This Christmas will be the first one since I was 5 years old that I won't have to worry about reading for an exam or doing homework/coursework - so that is a pretty good feeling. Also, the finances are much better, but now I work the standard week, getting weekdays at the flying school is difficult, especially as my instructor only works week days (a good excuse for a week off!).

Well, when I started this thread I never ever thought it would reach 1000 posts!

Thanks all,

Lee :ok:

More from the 'things you do after you get your licence' file!
I was lucky enough to get a back seat this morning with a mate in a Citabria. I wasn't doing (much of) the flying, just sat back and watched and enjoyed - off to a grass strip literally next to the Hume Highway (main road between Sydney and Melbourne) near Marulen for a fly-in breakfast organised by my mate's flying school. About a dozen aircraft went down (which meant some 'fun' in the circuit for the private strip we flew into!!) - a few Citabrias, a Pitts, a Tiger Moth, a Stinson plus a few of the usual Piper or Cessna offerings all made the trip - a big conga line following the highway all the way.
Had an awesome morning - did a few aileron rolls and wingovers on the way down which is GREAT fun and I think I'm hooked on the whole taildragger/aerobatics thing... this has the potential to turn very very expensive for me!! :D
Then a challenging landing on a rather undulating grass strip, brekkie and watching a bit of the action as others went flying around for a bit - a few were making the most of the opportunity to fly into an 'unimproved' strip with a few circuits or even aeros in the near vicinity. I was out very near the strip, camera in hand of course!
Then fly home again, following the highway as the weather was starting to look kind of dodgy (IFR -I Follow Roads!!) in a long line of various aeroplanes. Back into Camden, shutting down just as a rain shower started. Perfect timing as always! So - I had a great morning... then I went to work but that's another story.
For me, this typefies what private flying is all about. A bunch of pilots flying a variety of types into a small private strip for the sheer heck of it, and having a lot of fun in the process.

All I have to do now is learn how to fly a tail dragger!!!:E

Post some pictures :cool:

That sounds like an amazing flight - I am dying to go up in a Citabria for a go, it looks fantatsic :8

Guys - check out my post regarding Sherburn-In-Elmet in this forum....................

:ok:

Here ya go... a few shots from Marulen. Only the static shot is mine, the rest are from my mate. I was shooting film so I have some more to process later on.
OK. The trusty steed for the day. Citabria VH-RRW.
http://www.geocities.com/kookabat/rrw-marulen.jpg

RRW on the runway. Check out the dust!!
http://www.geocities.com/kookabat/rrw-marulen2.jpg

Finally, a spectacular arrival by a Cessna. We think the pilot's used to taildraggers... check out that attitude!! They got it down just after it passed us.
http://www.geocities.com/kookabat/yikes.jpg

Good fun!!:ok:

Great pictures Kook - it just reinforces my desire to fly the Citabria !!

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Neil and myself are hoping to fly today, we have the aircraft booked until 1600 but it isn't looking promising!!

Just thought I'd give another quick update on my progress!

I've had two lessons since my last post. The first we couldn't do circuits, so I had my first taste of navigation! Once I'd plotted a nice and simple route, we were off. It's nice to know that all flying isn't as hectic as in the circuit - I had forgotten that! Was fantastic to take in some of the Northumbrian scenery from the air! The lesson was only 45 minutes, but it gave me a nice insight as to basic navigation. After entering the Newcastle control zone, we orbited a while and made our approach. A nice, relaxed lesson was finished with a pretty good landing. (Lesson time - 45 minutes).

We were able to do circuits this lesson, but it was very windy. Luckily the wind was directly down the runway, so we could fly. Everything went as normal (except me managing to nearly get us lost on the taxiway!). As we took off I felt the real force of the wind, probably the worst conditions I'd flown in. It was perfectly safe, though and the circuit went as planned. My approach was good, and the landing ok. Although it seemed like it took 10 minutes to actually get onto the ground! Anyway, off we go again and on take off my instructor decides to throw an engine failure at me. Apparently I dealt with it fine, so we were back into the circuit. About half way down the downwind, he asks me if I want to do one by myself. To be honest I didn't, I wasn't happy with the conditions, but he just said, "we'll see how the next landing goes". It went ok, so I dropped him off, and I was on my own again (still air lawless!). But anyway it was all fine. I seemed to deal with the increasing traffic and poorer than usual weather conditions. Did one T+G and then called it a day. Was very happy to be sent solo again. (Lesson time - 35 minutes dual, 20 minutes solo).

So that brings us to today. I was in the club area, and even though there was no chance at all of flying, I thought I might as well pop in. During the drive there, I persuaded myself to do air law...could be a mistake, wasn't totally sure I was ready...but anyway, I took the plunge. Found it quite hard, some questions required a great deal of thought, some I had seen in the confuser. The majority I knew from extensive revision, though. Score: 90%.

Got lessons booked all week, now. So hopefully can finish solo consolidation (might as well do something during half term!).

Thanks,

John.

Cheers John - sounds like you had a very successful few days, solo, nav and air law! Well done :ok: How did you find your first nav trip?

Well, further to my last post, Neil and myself did manage to get up into the Liverpool circuit. ATC asked us if we could wait an hour, as there were two other aircraft in the circuit, so we complied.

I have to say, that this could quite possibly be the most detailed circuit session I have ever seen - it certainly enforces the reason why you spend so much time in the circuit when doing your training. Anyhow, the first circuit went ok, and after being asked to orbit a couple of times, and extend downwind - we eventually got onto finals. It was then we were asked to go around, as another aircraft had caught us up on finals (however scary it may seem, it is a wonderful sight to turn around and have the bright lights of a 737 zooming towards you! So up we went for the go-around.

The next two circuits went fine, again with plenty of orbiting but it was the third that was the most tricky! When we were on finals (bearing in mind we were RW27 left hand) there were 3 other aircraft to join, another 737 on 6 mile final, and two other light aircraft, one approaching Jaguar (to join right base) and the other approaching from Helsby (to join left base) - so after we were told to go around, it was then when the controller said something along these lines:

"Go around with immediate RIGHT turn to join late downwind - I will call you back......"

So, we complied and then watched the 737 come in, and two helicopters (they took us by surprise). We eventually got onto quite a long final, to see a Ryanair 737 waiting for us on the ground :D

So, in summary - it was very good experience and the controller thanked us for our co-operation, to which we duly replied with a good "thank-you" for the help. Thanks to Neil also (DiscoChocolate) for letting me come along.

Regards,

Lee

Hi,
Can anyone post there progress here?

If so, I started my PPL on the 29th September this year and I've manged eight and half hours so far this month. Its been quite frustrating because I've also had eight additional lessons cancelled during the last month (bloody weather!).

I took my air law exam yesterday and passed with 85% which was a real shock!!

I've got most of next month off and I'm either trying to complete most of my PPL here in the UK or I'll fly out to the states, my decision changes daily!! Before yesterday I was off to the States, then I had three good hours of lessons and I changed my mind again!!

My instuctor's here are so good and not just hour building that I think I'd become a better pilot as they are more interested in my progress than being another entry in there log book. Trouble is it may take a bit longer because of the weather!!

TJF97

After checking out a few local places I have picked an excellent training school,very professional,good ground school and well maintained PA28-180 aircraft.
I am also frustrated by the weather,I book well ahead, six lessons between Friday and Sunday hoping to get some flying in but had five lessons cancelled last weekend and two this Friday,although I did manage to get nearly four hours in over this weekend.
I do notice it if I miss a week it takes me a while to get back in the slot, I have thought about training abroad but all my pilot friends say it is not a race,so enjoy it here even if it is frustrating.
Anyway this is the weather we are going to get when we eventually have our liceneces so we have to get used to it.
I started in August and have now done 17 hours,passed Air Law and Human Performance , doing some good landings and about ready for the solo,I had thought I would do the solo before this but the weather and of course my progress have got in the way.
Asking around there does not seem to be an exact time for solo,anything between 10 and 20 hours seems to be the going rate although some take longer ,age has quite an effect and I'm 62 so maybe that's why it is taking me a a bit more time?
Lister
:D

TJF97,
Welcome to Mazzys great thread,anyone can post on here and everybody learns from each others efforts, my advice as somebody who has held a PPL for 6 months is to do your training here in the UK.
Why, well I think we all fly better if we have our lessons closer together but, not all in a couple of weeks I certainly needed time for reflection , not a few minutes before the next lesson maybe a few days , if the training was intensive you wouldn't get that, some of my best decisions have come three days later whilst driving to work.
The one other thing I would do is if your lessons weathered off and you live close to the airfield go anyway , talk to your instructor ,talk to the engineers , hells bells even talk to the hanger cat ,you will learn something!
I learnt a hell of a lot talking to other pilots, just because its not fit for you to fly does not mean other people aren't , and you can if you are full of enthuasiasam(?) get a ride with them.
Good flying
Bob

Hello all.

Mazzy - was a very nice flight indeed. Probably the most simple navigation excersise I'll ever do, but very enjoyable indeed. A nice change from circuits, too. A short 45 minute, gave me a nice insight to basic navigation, follwoing the map, looking our for lakes and roads...really enjoyed having a good look at the scenery, makes a nice change to trying to find the airliners hurtling towards you! Was a rather wierd experience when the darkness set in as well - seeing the beacon flash against the wings. I felt like a proper pilot (don't ask me what the significance of a flashing light in darkness is - simple things...)!

I was very pleased with the air law indeed, I'd been getting 80% (average) on the confuser, but the day before the exam i took a fair few notes on the weaker points and it obviously payed off!

I've been grounded because of the weather today, which is shocking up here, so I'm going to have a day of meteorology study, and can hopefully do that exam sometime this week.

As for the first solo, there's tonnes of factors which come into play. I was lucky enough to get it done fairly quickly with not too many circuit sessions. But the weather was perfect, traffic was quiet, I'm only 17 and I've a very good, willing instructor - he's old school. Points at the 'plane and tells you to fly it. It also depends on the school, some request that certain excersises are done before sending their students on solo. At the end of the day it doesn't matter - it's not a race.

Finally - I also agree with Bob, if the weather is poor try and get down to the club just to "hang out". There's always someone about, who can offer some wisdom. And you often can pick up the odd free flight, which is always good! Instructors also seem to be willing to go through some theory as well, such as the whizzy wheel.

Anyway, cheers all.

John.

Yes of course! Welcome TJF97 and Lister Noble - brilliant to see new people here, and thanks for sharing your experiences - you do realise that you have keep us all informed now don't you :=

Lister/TJ - what you have said in your post is 100% normal to anyone doing the PPL (I think anyway). The first one: the weather, this is or can be the butt of all our problems and cancelled flights. Secondly: trying to make the decision about whether or not to go to the States to do the PPL - I went through this phase at first and even went around contacting all the training organisations, however, for me it would have been the wrong decision, which I am now glad for. I do hear of people who make a success out of it, but there are horror stories also - this is something which has been battered on pprune!

I think you have summed it all up in one phrase though:

No only that, but you may come back from the USA (or wherever you may have done it) and not be ready for 'UK' airspace, as I believe things are done somewhat differently over there. I suppose it's purely a matter of personal circumstance, and what you want to do with your license once you have it.

Bob - thanks mate :ok:

Jon has summed things up spot on about going solo - couldn't agree more, however do be prepared to get frustrated when you are well up for going solo but other factors prevent you - if you recall in some earlier posts before my solo, I just couldn't seem to get a day when the wind would go away - even conditions for my solo weren't perfect.

Regarding getting yourself down to the flying school to meet people etc - this is a fantastic idea, so far through this diary and being around other pilots (aside from meeting loads of people) I have flown in a Chipmunk and done some fantastic aerobatics, flown a C152 with pponting, flown our schools Cherokee, been shown the R22 and R44 helicopters (I promise Whirly, I will take you up on the offer for a flight) and flown with Neil a few times! Definitely a good idea to show your face :8

Don't forget MSN Messenger, the list of 'flying buddies' gets bigger: [email protected]

Thanks again,

Lee
:D

Blimey. Nothing for days then a storm of postings!

Mazzy - referring to your earlier post:

"ATC asked us if we could wait an hour, as there were two other aircraft in the circuit, so we complied" - I read that as meaning that you were IN the circuit and had to wait an hour. That's a LOT of orbits ;-)

whereas...

"bearing in mind we were RW27 left hand" ... then when the controller said something along these lines "Go around with immediate RIGHT turn to join late downwind - I will call you back......"

So you joined up late downwind for R27 Right Hand? Is that what was intended by the instruction?



jwf

"except me managing to nearly get us lost on the taxiway!" - been there, done that. Get a copy of AFE or Pooleys and learn the taxiways by heart - I always carry a copy of Leeds, Humberside etc. with me just in case.

I had great fun at Sywell - all grass. No nice yellow line to follow. Makes for a interesting change.



No flying for me for a few weeks now. I cancelled my lesson yesterday as I had a cold and headache and DID NOT want to repeat any of the bad feelings that can happen when in the sky and not 100%. I guess that the weather would have canned things anyway.

Hello TJF,

If you enjoy reading write ups..have a wee look around my site - www.wbryce.co.uk started after my PPL though and currently recording an IMC rating diary.

Hope you enjoy your flying.

will

MyData - We (me and Mazzy) were on a 1 mile final and told to turn right and report ready for right base for 27, and THEN instructed to extend downwind due to the helicopter traffic on Left base. So it all got very confusing but a very good day for learning! I think all the confusion we encountered that day was due to the fact the controller couldnt see us on his primary radar for some reason, anyone know why this could happen?

Neil

P.S Welcome new people! :}

Data - Yes that's the closest I can describe it with a keyboard :D

If you can imagine that after we established the go around and applied full power, we were turning right and climbing over the numbers where we would normally be flaring over, to to intercept downwind (kind of like a very early crosswind). From what I can recall, there was another aircraft that had just took off, and I don't think the controller was happy with the spacing :=

Will - I had a look at your site earlier, it's very good - I will try and get it all read ;)

EDIT

Thanks Neil - I needed some backup there hehe :ok: It seems we are writing at the same time.........

Mazzy, no problems...the site will probably be developed more as time goes by! sometimes progress may be slow like it is just now....should hopefully have a few more IMC lessons under my belt in the next couple of weeks.

Yes you will! But you and I are going to have to have words about your unusual positions recovery technique!!
Doing it all at the same time....... Indeed. Did I not explain about torsional loads?

Seriously though, a good site. See you next week for more under the hood fun and games!

like the site bryce, stick in at it (the flying that is) look forward to seeing ur progress

Hello all!

Had another two lessons, circuits and the early stages of navigation!

The first lesson was circuits. Was hoping to go off solo, but the wind was a little too gusty, so my instructor came up with me, to make sure I could handle it! Was quite pleased when, on the first landing, I was told to drop him off, and I could do 2 or 3 T+G's, but was told very firmly "if you're not happy, come straight back". Fair enough I thought, but I didn't think that would actually happen!! Got a couple of circuits in, and apart from messing up my RT twice, it seemed to be going fine. Until I got onto final. Was replying to landing clearance, and my readability had suddenly become "awful". So I very quickly decided to call a full stop landing, which wasn't even understood by the controller. He heard enough to acknowledge a landing, but nothing more. Got back to base, and didn't have a clue as to what the problem was...just hoped I hadn't done anything wrong! Luckily, it seemed I hadn't. And the radio is now fine. Quite a scare at the time, but as mazzy told me - it doesn't harm to get experience in those sort of "scares" - builds confidence.

Anyway the second lesson. Had a nasty crosswind, wasn't too good for solo circuits, so it was decided to have a low level navigation lesson, with some instrument flying thrown in! So off I went with the whizzy wheel, and planned a simple route. I seem to be understanding the basics of the whizz wheel now, which is good! My instructor, for the first time, told me do to the externals AND internal start-up myself. Once I had it started he'd come out, and off we'd go. Was quite nice, up until then he'd always been with me for the start up! (Again - little things!) The low-level navigation itself was fantastic, went a little off route but found my point fairly quickly. Was great to be fairly low - especially over hills and lakes, quite hard though. So onto the instrument flying - had my external view totally blocked, and all I had was the instruments. More than once I tried to look outside, so hard not too, but my instructor stopped me rather quickly! At first I felt a little sick, not having something outside to focus on. But I got used to it, and seemed to be doing ok. Managing to do turns, and climbs/descents and a mixture of the two. Was such a relief to be able to see outside at the end of it though, as much as I enjoyed it! Seems strange to not be able to see outside, when I'd been told off many a time for looking at my instruments too much, in my first few lessons! After a little frantic searching through the building haze, we found the airfield and came in for a crosswind landing. I'd never done one totally independent, so was a little nervous. My instructor decided to keep his mouth shut, and see how I got on. All was fine until the last 5 seconds, when he had to speak up! I did get it down, using the wing-down method, and I'm quite looking forward to some more crosswind landings now. Need some practice in them, but hopefully it won’t take long to get them totally right.

Lesson cancelled today, and with the clock going back there'll be no after school flights I expect. So I'll be lucky to get two hours a week, if that! Can’t wait to finish solo consolidation, and start on the “heavy” navigation!

Thanks, hope everyone’s flying is going well!

John.

Great writeup John - sounds like you got a lot done there in two lessons! I know what you mean about the "little things" though - having been asked to start-up yourself is a real confidence booster. Just wait until you are asked to go outside, start her up, AND fly miles away all by yourself, a very strange but exciting feeling!

Lee :ok:

Right then! Having booked the week off (1st – 5th November) I woke up on Monday morning and looked out the window. I wasn’t too impressed with what I saw, which was crap visibility and strong winds, ‘here we go again’ I thought. Anyway, I had a chat with my instructor and we agreed that we would see how the day went and decide later in the afternoon whether we would fly or not. At this point, I needed a currency flight, before the QXC, so this is what I was hoping for. Anyway, about midday I spoke with my instructor again, and decided that I would do a southern route, which would be similar to the QXC.

I planned the MATZ penetration at Shawbury and calculated a heading to Wolverhampton. I was informed that along the way, I would be given a diversion and would have to calculate new headings. The wind at 2000 feet was 180/30 so quite a strong crosswind for most of the route. The visibility was still rubbish, but enough to navigate and spot features close by. It was all going very well, called up Shawbury and got the MATZ approval and off we went through it. It was actually quite steady once we got up past 2000 feet; however our groundspeed was in the region of 65 knots! After we come out the other side of the MATZ, I was asked to draw a line to Hixon from Peplow (small airfield 6 miles south east of Ternhill) and calculate a heading to get to it. So, I gave the controls to my instructor, drew a rough line with the edge of my pen, and took the estimate of a true track – then I added 10 degrees to it for the wind, and then 4 degrees for the magnetic variation (also using the ‘rule of thumb’ (literally) to calculate distance and time (the distance from the tip of your thumb to the first joint, is roughly 10 NM on a 1:50000 chart)). I was really made up when the heading took me right overhead! We then turned for Crewe, which would be one of my checkpoints for the QXC – it is here where I would normally continue on the same heading to find Ashcroft Farm, before entering the low level, however, today I would simply be joining back up at Liverpool, so I planned for Chester.

It was at this point that I could not see a thing. The mist was very thick and nightfall was approaching, and due to the cloud cover, it was darker anyway for that time. So, I thought to myself “If I was alone now, I would probably panic, as I cannot see Chester” however, I could just about make out the waterline of the Mersey and thought “If I stay on heading and keep calm, I will be ok and eventually be over Chester”. So that’s what I did (obviously, I had my instructor next to me, so panic did not set in). As planned, we arrived over Chester, and having already put the rejoin call in, we proceeded with clearance to Cheshire Oaks (the retail park as it is described over the radio). By now, it was looking like night, and the ground was sparkling with orange and white – it was a truly amazing view (makes me want the night rating). So back to the flying school after a successful landing and a debrief.

I was of the impression that Tuesday would be a good day (and the best day of the week) so I was eager to get the above flight done ‘just in case’ Tuesday would be ‘my day’ (how right was I) :E

Tuesday – Solo QXC – Liverpool to Wolverhampton
Grins/nerves were of the many on Tuesday morning, when I got a call at 0900 from my instructor to come down to the flying school. Driving down there, knowing what I was about to hopefully do, was a weird feeling. I was scared (the good scared) and nervous, but very excited also. Hard to describe really (you all know the feeling, and those who ain’t done it yet – will!) I arrived, with all my routes/calls and procedures planned out and firm in memory. The wind was about 8 knots at Liverpool and 260/20 at 200 feet, so not too bad (yet). The forecasts were good and all was going as planned. (Strange, but I feel all weird now writing about it).

I checked out the aircraft and had some last words with my instructor, and before I knew it, I was sat on my own in the Tomahawk, closing the door and looking at an empty seat. Again, a feeling of loneliness (very hard to describe) but excitement. Started her up, completed all my checks, and before I knew wit I was airborne.

My first bit of advice for anyone flying (solo or not) is to clean the window you are looking out of. When I got out the zone and Chester and headed for Wolverhampton (south westerly direction) the sun was square in the middle of the canopy, right in my eyes. I could see every little spec of dirt and dried water/oil on the windscreen and I really wanted to pull over and wipe it before carrying on, but not possible in an aircraft! Anyway, I was feeling confident enough to continue and had a good pair of sunglasses on which meant I could see adequately. I was happy for the headwind, which meant I had more time to get things done. I contacted Shawbury and after establishing communication, squawk and radar contact, I was given a Radar Information Service. He asked me which service I was asking for, to which I replied “RIS please but if not possible, then FIS is fine”. It’s worth noting, that I had not been given clearance to transit his MATZ yet, I had to bear this in mind, as I think it is really easy to confuse establishing communication with being given a permission to do something (I’ve done it a few times before!)

So, I was given clearance to transit, based on 2500 feet on his QFE of 997. my route took me right in the middle of Shawbury and Ternhill, so I would have one either side however, Sleap can be a killer at this point, because it is very easy to confuse it with Shawbury, which what I did at first, but then in remembered this and looked for Shawbury closer until I found it. I then could see Ternhill to my left, having just passed Tilstock (small airfield used for parachuting) and Whitchurch (built up area north east of Ternhill). I was happy with navigation so far but my next concern was finding Cosford which would pass by my left, and Telford which I should have underneath me (the northern edge of the built up area). If you have a chart with you, have a look at the high ground which is south of Telford, I should have this to my right and be above Telford. When looking ahead, I could see that I may be slightly right of track, but realised that the nose was pointed into wind and not to be foiled by this illusion. When I got past Telford and Cosford, I started looking for Wolverhampton. This was my biggest concern. At first I couldn’t see it. I had the sun in my face (and a dirty wind screen) and couldn’t distinguish features on the ground, because of this. After about 3 mins of looking, I found it, ahead, just to the left (I had already contacted the FISO and established communication). A major relief to say the least :rolleyes:

Now, here is the fun part. I was asked to report overhead 2000 feet which I did. I was actually given runway 22 (which is the short one) and wasn’t too happy to try it. I asked for runway 28 as it is much longer, but knew I would have to tackle a tasty crosswind. I was then asked to join on 2 mile final (there was a lot of traffic). So, I did so and reported final, I was given clearance to land at my discretion. I was very focused at this point, knowing the runway undulates quite a bit and this crosswind was constantly in the back of my mind. I made a reasonable approach and landed a little to the left of centreline, which was quickly corrected with some right rudder. I then asked for taxi to the asphalt parking, which was next left and follow the path! I was very much relieved having completed this part of the QXC and was looking forward to a brew in the café. I went up to see the controller, and he asked me “would I like to save myself a tenner” to which I replied “yes” wondering how this would be possible. As it turns out, there were free landing vouchers in the GA magazines (I already have one which was at home, and I was of the impression that you couldn’t use it as a student) however, I was wrong, so I bought a magazine which I didn’t already have (bonus) and went to ‘pay’ the fee. Got my sheet signed and said the thank-you’s then went up to the café, to relax for 30 mins or so with a rather nice cup of tea. I took all the documents that I had used so far and screwed them to the back of my flight bag. This was one flight over – I now had the next one to think about.

Wolverhampton to Blackpool

I went back to the aircraft and firstly gave it a general look over (to see if anyone had walloped it). Having done that, I checked the oil and the fuel (along with the rest of the engine etc) to make sure all was well. My technique for deciding on which tank to fly on next, is to look at the tank that has the least fuel, then go and select it in the cockpit. That way, I can taxi on the tank with the least fuel, then change tanks, do power checks and fly on the tank with the most fuel. So, off I rolled down the taxiway, remembering to do my power checks at the hold point, and not the parking area, that would surely do a few people’s heads in, if not mentally then literally :=

Having lined up, the runway undulations became clearer. After applying full power, it is necessary to use a fair amount of rudder to keep the centreline (the lumps and bumps tend to throw you around a bit) also, it is easy to hit a ‘lump’ and bounce into the air, so it is important to try and stay on the ground until you reach rotate speed. I climbed out remembering to turn at the QNH height of 800 feet (due to the elevation of Wolverhampton) and not 600 feet like at Liverpool. I turned on a northerly heading and climbed to 2500 feet. Just before I got to 2000 feet I got on the radio and said something along the lines of:

“G-## heading north for overhead Hixon airfield climbing 2500 feet”.

The reason I did this was not only to aid the controller in his duty, but also to let anyone else know who was in the area, of my position/intentions. It was a good job actually, as another aircraft passed quite close to me underneath in the opposite direction – I cannot stress enough the importance of maintaining a good lookout, especially at smaller airfields where you are not controlled by ATC. It is all too easy to get complacent when flying round Liverpool, thinking that you are safe because you are in controlled airspace!

I was in a good frame of mind, and was happy with the fact that the sun was no longer in my eyes. I settled onto my height, thanked Wolverhampton for their excellent help and gave London Information a buzz (I have seen a lot of debate recently about the use of London Info – this is what I have been trained to do). After putting the initial call in, I did expect him to say ‘standby’ – which he did. It was it’s usual busy self. I eventually got the call in, and established good communication – it is amazing some of the stuff you here on there (as I have mentioned in a previous post) a lot of different accents and types of aircraft etc.

I started to look out for Hixon, which was strange at first, as there seemed to be 3 or 4 large fields in the same vicinity, which at first glance could be mistaken for aerodromes. I was determined not to get lost here, as I had the large built up area of Stafford about 3 miles south west of what I was looking for. Keeping this in mind, and looking at a large river/canal to my right, I successfully found Hixon, which was bang on my heading and time. I was made up, because now I was to be turning for Crewe – a large white, built up area which has a bout 7 railways all meeting in the middle, and the M6 running right alongside it also. It does stick out for miles, but you have to be careful not to confuse it with Stoke-on-Trent which looks similar from distance (white buildings etc). On the way from Hixon, the M6 is to your left and there is a service station which goes right under the nose – this was the case and I was pleased to see Crewe starting to appear. It was at this point I called up Manchester for the FIS and low level transition. I have to say that the Manchester controller was fantastic, he was extremely helpful and a real pleasure to be talking to.

(read on to the next post - pprune won't let me post that big!)

The next difficult bit was finding Ashcroft Farm. By looking at the chart you can see that Ashcroft is about 2 miles south west of Winsford – so in theory it should be easy to find, but this is not usually the case, as Ashcroft can change colour quite a lot throughout the year (Ashcroft is a very small grass strip – there are no visible taxiways or hangar). My thought here was to keep my headings and times and keep a good lookout. I found it. Was made up (at this point I was at 1250 feet on the Manchester QNH) knowing that I could now head north up the low level. I entered it successfully and managed to maintain desired track throughout, with some excellent traffic information from Manchester (there was loads of micro light activity that day).

Now, here’s where a potential ‘QXC stopping’ problem may have cropped up. My exit point of the low level, is a large roundabout, which is about 5 miles south east of Haydock racecourse – turning for Blackpool at this roundabout would position me south Abeam Haydock however, to my left (over most of Liverpool/Kirkby/Ormskirk) was a huge bout of rain, beating down on the country. So, I elected to extend the low level leg for 3 miles, which would put me 3 miles north of Haydock – and further towards Wigan) which would mean that I would miss the bad weather by a fair distance. This turned out the good option, and meant I could carry on to Blackpool. Having passed the weather, I turned back to see that it was drifting away, and I wouldn’t have a problem getting back home. It is worth pointing out that this was not on the forecast which I had checked, and had with me – it was an isolated shower and it passed away without causing any real difficulty.

Now it was time to call Warton – to get a MATZ penetration approval and joining advice to Blackpool. This went without a hitch, and before I knew it I was being asked to call Blackpool Tower for landing instructions. When I called Blackpool, I gave the full call and was asked whether or not I had contacted Warton beforehand, to which I told them I had been given MATZ approval and asked to call you! At this point, a fear was a bout to crop up.

I had been given overhead instructions to join for runway 25 (the shortest one available) and in the past, if I have been given this one, my instructor had asked if we could use RW38 which is huge – so I pointed out my concerns to the controller who was happy to let me go in for RW28 but did advise me that the crosswind may be a little stiff. So, I said something along these lines:

“Roger, I will set up for approach on 25 and if necessary initiate the go around, with the intention of assessing RW28”.




He was fine with this – the airport wasn’t really busy. So, I joined crosswind having descended dead-side and psyched myself up for a landing on the shorter runway. Some of you may be thinking that there may have been an option to turn around and go back to Liverpool, and you are right, however I was not going to throw all this away without even having a go. The wind was making it’s presence (as it usually always does at Blackpool). So, I got on final approach and was determined not to even think about using the displaced threshold (for those of you that have been to Blackpool, you will see that RW25 looks much longer than it actually is) not only would this be stupid, but also dangerous! It is a good job too, because when I got to about 200 feet, a fence running right to left appeared, which was impossible to see from further away. So, with plenty of clearance above the fence, a good approach speed and generally being happy with everything, I touched it down with plenty of runway to spare. I was really made up, and I was asked to taxi to Fylde Park (grass parking) to shutdown – I was over the moon. I thanked the controller, shutdown, and headed to the café for a chicken mayo sarnie :8

I had a rest in the café for about 30 mins, and stocked up on fuel (human fuel) before heading to the information desk to pay my fees and get my sheet signed. The (very very nice) lady from ATC was already on the phone to the information desk, and she asked to speak to me – she said that I could book out now, and congratulated me. I felt on top of the world. I got through the security checks and had my body/bag scanned then made my way back to the trustworthy Tommy.



Blackpool to Liverpool

After I started her up and got taxi clearance, I decided I would adopt the short filed takeoff technique – as Blackpool were still on RW25. I set up for the power checks at the hold and awaited clearance. For those of you that have Blackpool charts, look for hold point B4 which is adjacent to RW25. having been given clearance, I turned left onto the runway to backtrack (to make sure I got as much of the runway as possible, I went right to the very end). I was actually given takeoff clearance whilst still backtracking, and was hoping that the controller (yes the lovely lady I spoke with on the phone) didn’t think I was going to take off in the wrong direction! I turned the aircraft round, set one stage of flap, hit the brakes, applied full power and let her roll. I waited for 65 knots and rotated, climbing away at this speed (best angle of climb). Once at 500 feet and in a well established climb, I reduced the flap and let the airspeed rise to 70 knots (best rate of climb). I was immediately asked to contact Warton, so I said my goodbye’s/thank you’s and changed to Warton.

Rather than just say:

“Warton Radar G-####”

I gave a little more detail, so that only one transmission would be necessary which would give me more time before hitting the MATZ. So I said:

“Warton Radar G-#### out of Blackpool to Liverpool heading St Anne’s Pier climbing 2000”.

To which the reply was an immediate clearance to cross the MATZ and a request to squawk. It was ironic at this point, because my instructor was up in another aircraft with another student, doing the Leyland – Southport route (if you remember a while ago, this was my first navigation lesson routing and it couldn’t have gone any worse – I wrote it up a while ago) I was amazed at how much I had learned since then. I could hear them on the radio and it brought back some horrible memories :cool:

I was now on home turf. The routing took my smack bang over my house (I was very tempted to do some orbits – but I stuck to my plan and carried on) and before I knew it I was calling 5 for rejoin at Kirkby. I descended and was given clearance to Jaguar, where a 737 was joining on right early downwind – he was about 800 feet above me and there was a ‘3-way’ established between myself, the controller and the 737. I could see him, but he couldn’t see me – he passed right overhead and it was a truly amazing sight – he eventually caught sight of me and I watched him turn base leg and land – brilliant. I was number 3 to him, as another tomahawk was on left base. I extended downwind slightly and was given clearance to join final with the other aircraft in sight. I touched her down with great relief/pleasure as I knew I was about 2 mins away form completing my QXC.

I rolled to Kilo and shut down. I was on top of the world – I couldn’t quite believe what I had just done. Exactly one year and 2 days after my first solo, I took to the skies, traversed the country and got one step closer to the end.

Thanks for reading,

Lee :ok:

Mazzy Congrats. Great write up. Nearly there. :ok:

Well done Lee, and fantastic write-up. :ok:

Lee - sounds like a very enjoyable flight with some good decisions. Great write up as well! Very well done indeed.

Congrats!

Great write up mate! Congrats on what sounds like a great flight!
:ok:

Brilliant, Lee, well done. Its quite an achievement and a job well done. Your GST can't be far away now?

Finally the old 'take a week off work' trick worked!!!

Top stuff, well done.

Thanks for the kind responses people ;)

Got two hours now to do ADF, VOR and DME then it's the mock test! I think I have about 20 mins left to meet the official solo time, so I will probably do a few circuits or perhaps a mini nav before the test to keep up to scratch.

:D

Hi

Anyone got a set of Trevor Thom PPL books that they would be willing to sell (and post to Florida)?

Please PM with a price if you have.

Cheers.

PS Anyone want a Villa in the Caribbean for 65K???

Regards

Carl:ok:

Mazzy,
Was at Blackpool that day myself , if youre coming again let me know if you want to meet up.
Bob

Mazzy

Great write up. We are both now at that stage where everything is done bar the time served and the GFT. Here we go, weather permitting.

I notice you didn't state that you made any use of the 'student PPL on QXC' radio calls - I found them most useful ;-)

Your call to London Information is interesting. I've never contacted them, and never seen any of my *eight* instructors do so. Only time I've seen it in use was when I was flying cross channel and we were in no mans land so it was the right thing to do.

I need to build a couple more hours solo and so am planning a trip to 'bimble' around. One of the options was to venture to the 'dark side' i.e. west of the Pennines. I looked at Blackpool in detail on my chart and noticed that Warton MATZ is pretty close. Do you find that usually clearance is given or do you fly around via Blackburn / Clitheroe?

The WX doesn't look so promising this weekend so I'll probably continue my planned route around the Lincolnshire and Yorkshire areas, but if there is a spectacular clear day you might see me over your side of the hills.

Cadaha - you may be better posting that one in the main forum. Perhaps there are different manuals for the USA?

Bob - I will have a bit of solo time to make, so I may plan a trip to Blackpool, in which case, you will hear from me :)

Data - I sometimes put "solo qualifying" at the end of the call :D
Would be great to see you over this neck of the woods - any time you wanna come over, give me a shout. Getting to Blackpool is quite simple, you just call up Warton and ask for MATZ penetration (telling them you are routing Blackpool to land). I have never had a problem with this, and they usually always pass you straight to Blackpool tower! I've never known it to be refused...........

Cheers Mazz will do. By the way I'm a brit living in the DR and the only way I can safely receive mail (without it being nicked) is through a mail service in Florida.

I want the books as I am returning to the UK and want to get a head start on studying before I get back and start my PPL

Great thread by the way, loads of info that gives us wannabees a feel for the course content and also problems that you guys/gals encounter during the course and how you ivercome them.

Keep up the good work. :ok:

Well done Mazzy - and a great write up too.

You may remember my last post detailed a really bad flight whilst (unknown to me at the time) I was coming down with 'flu. That left me feeling pretty low (the poor flight that is), and with one thing or another I did not fly again for nearly 4 weeks. I'm pleased to say my last trip (the day you did your QXC, Mazzy) everything went very well. Won't bore you with details, but it involved a land away, nav, stalls, steep turns, Matz penetration etc etc, so I'm current on all these now, and everything fell into place, seemingly better than ever before.

After my previous effort, I was pretty nervous on the way up, and had told myself if I was as bad on the day as previously, I would bin the whole flying exercise and stick to boating. I made sure I arrived in plenty of time, relaxed, plotted everything, read the notams, got the ppr required for the land away, checked the plane out, and STILL had 30 minutes "coffee time" to wait. This is the first time I've arrived so early (normally arrive around 20 minutes before the slot), and I have to say I was very relaxed by the time I climbed aboard.

I booked a lot of slots for last week and also for next week. I've just got to do a couple of solo navs, a distant land away and one more double lesson with my instructor - then, all being well, it's QXC time for me as well (we do Turweston, near Silverstone, Cambridge, a busyish commercial airfield, and back to East Midlands). Problem is , everthing I've booked to date has been canned due to weather!!.

I've now got slots booked for next Mon, Tues, Weds and Thurs, mostly doubles or two seperate sessions, to complete everything necessary to get me to the QXC stage. However, looking at the forecats, I can't see the conditions being suitable for solo student limitations until at least Thurs! Hey Ho, patience is a virtue in this game!!

Any idea when you are taking your skills test mazzy, a red letter day indeed!!

Busyness at Cambridge varies tremendously. Sometimes you're the only person flying, you can join the circuit however and wherever you like, other days you can't get a word in edgeways on either frequency and you've got three full circuits - choppers at 600', us lot at 1000', and the bizjets and fast jets at 1500' - as well as commercial traffic coming straight in to land.

(OK, so I've only been there whilst a bizjet was flying circuits once, and I've only shared the circuit with fast jets once (I think they were practising for Duxford the next day or something), and most days there aren't any airliner movements, but you can get all of these.)

Oh, and if you're on final for the main runway but it's occupied you might be offered the choice of going around or landing on the parallel grass runway - if you're vaguely aware that this might happen it'll be less of a surprise if it actually does! Actually a student on solo XC might be better off going around given this choice if they haven't practised this with an instructor first - sliding quite a long way sideways to line up with a different runway whilst low on final approach is possibly not something for a student to try for the first time for real on their own.

Most likely though you'll be sharing the circuit with a couple of other light aircraft and that's all.

Cad - I see now mate, I thought you were training in Florida. In that case, I am sure a post on the main forum will attract a sale. Welcome aboard by the way, hope you can share your flying experiences with us too :ok:

:confused:

Hehe - let's av em ;)

I really hope you get lucky with the weather, I can't believe how lucky I was to have one good day in between so much muck!

Gertrude - thanks for that :D

Hi people,
I managed 5 hours last week but I had Wednesday and Thursday cancelled due to the weather. Although that said I still went in and did lots of ground exercises/emergencies.

Next week's weather is looking really ropey and I have got 8 lessons booked from Monday to Friday, I'd hate it if I missed all of them but its seriously looking that way. Its at times like this I wonder if I made the right decision to stay and do the PPL in the UK. I could just as easy get a quick flight out to the States next week and have it all done and dusted in three weeks.

I am now up to 13 hours in the log book, I discovered that I don't like stalling!! Blimey I thought the plane was going to fall out of the sky!!! The instructor was peeing himself, he said wait until we do spinning??

Anyway I'm still loving it, I just wish the weather would be great over the next three weeks and the the USA dilemma would go away!!

Cheese

TJF97

(PS, sorry for the rushed post, I'm at the evil in laws and I'm using there computer without permission!!!)

Solo
 

Yesterday I did some quite good landings in very strong winds and really enjoyed it,wind was more or less down the runway but gusting around a bit and up to 25 knots.
Today the wind was straight down the runway and around 10 knots, I did a couple of OK landings but not spot on,then did a couple more better ones.
The CFI asked me to stop and did I feel like doing one on my own?
Caught me on the hop this did,as I thought I wasn't as good as yesterday.
I told him I reckoned I would be OK and off I went,I had been warned the plane would take off and climb quickly with just one person on board but it still took me a bit by suprise.
I was happy with the circuit although unlike other did not sing anything on the way round,just thought "I can't believe I'm doing this" and then did a reasonable landing.
I parked the plane and then there were lots of handshakes ,congrats etc and they all reckoned it was a good landing.
I have done exciting things through my life including sailing boats around the continent and racing cars but there is nothing like the feeling I have at the moment.
I'm booked for flying tomorrow but the forecast is not too special,anyway I can live on this high for a while!
Lister:D :D