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bookworm 6th December 2003 20:42

TBM700 down at Oxford
 
BBC news reporting the crash with three fatalities of a TBM700 at Oxford Kiddlington, apparently after "overshooting the runway" at the end of a flight from Brussels.

Anything more known?

Timothy 6th December 2003 20:47

They're going to lose their excellent reputation if they go on like this.

Any question of our mutual friend being involved?

The quote"Three people were killed when their light aircraft crashed at an airfield in Oxfordshire.
The single-engine two-seater plane overshot the runway after a flight from Brussels to the aerodrome in Kidlington at 1120 GMT on Saturday."
leaves a little to be desired in the jounalistic accuracy department.

W

9gmax 6th December 2003 20:50

Here's the link.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...re/3296879.stm[/URL]

Timothy 6th December 2003 20:55

Bookworm

What makes you think that it was a TBM?

BBC News 24 desperately trying to sensationalise: "It would have been much worse if it had hit the A44"; "Many celebrities use Kidlington, including Richard Branson. Were any celebrities involved?"

Luckily the Policeman was being sensible and measured in his replies.

W

bookworm 6th December 2003 21:27


What makes you think that it was a TBM?
That was the BBC News 24 reporter's line -- adding that they cost millions of pounds, which persuaded me that she hadn't just got the numbers mixed up.

The occupants are now reported to be Belgian and French nationals.


BBC News 24 desperately trying to sensationalise: "It would have been much worse if it had hit the A44"
It's absurd, isn't it? We're approaching the 15th anniversary of the last third-party fatality of an aeroplane accident in the UK. That was in the town of Lockerbie.

You're probably more conversant with the statistics than I am -- how many pedestrians have been slain by drivers since then?

mad_dog 6th December 2003 21:29

If this A/C is a two-seater, why was three people killed?

Something sounds dodgy there!!:}

MD

JDK 6th December 2003 21:30

I'm just up the road in Woodstock. BBCi local news has that the a44 which runs past the airfield has been closed. That's all I've got. More if I get it, but I'm not going to rubberneck. I can hear an a/c going over so it looks like Kidlington's open again.
Cheers
James

Timothy 6th December 2003 21:43


You're probably more conversant with the statistics than I am -- how many pedestrians have been slain by drivers since then?
...and how many car crashes take place "within a mile of a school"?

W

Loony_Pilot 6th December 2003 22:29

Hi,

Well I can confirm it is a TBM700, 3 fatalities, it crashed on approach to 01 at Oxford, it came down a few hundred yds befroe the 01 threshold about 50m left of the centreline, just before the A44 dual carriageway. 2 belgians and 1 french person on board I believe.
I've also flown over it and it certainly didnt look survivable. Though I only got a brief look at it as I was trying to land on 01!
I think the aircraft flew in from Brussels and someone who witnessed it said it pitched up very sharply and suddenly, then rolled before crashing.
It certainly wasn't an overshoot as some of the media have been reporting
Hope everyone at PPRuNe will join me in offering condolences to the victims.

LP

Timothy 6th December 2003 22:51

The pattern you describe seems to be becoming a little too prevalent in the TBM700 world...not disimilar to the one I was involved in in Dundee in October and apparently similar to one in France last year.

W

cblinton@blueyonder. 6th December 2003 23:27

My Thoughts go out to all concerend:(

SM82 6th December 2003 23:48

Anybody any idea on the reg?

vintage ATCO 7th December 2003 00:21

N30LT according to spotter sites

JDK 7th December 2003 00:33

The A44 road was still closed as at 5pm, tonight, cars being diverted around.

Indeed, condolences.

JDK

hobie 7th December 2003 01:53

what it normally looks like .....

http://www.snecma.com/en/group/appli...pplication=331

http://www.ebhn.be/images/Duxford200...%20700_JPG.htm

hobie .....

deing 7th December 2003 03:35

WCollins wrote
The pattern you describe seems to be becoming a little too prevalent in the TBM700 world...not disimilar to the one I was involved in in Dundee in October and apparently similar to one in France last year.

Can you give me some more info what the problem was with these crashes, trim?

Deing

2Donkeys 7th December 2003 03:48

The description of the Oxford accident suggests a stall/spin in on approach. On the face of it, not a lot in common with the Dundee Accident. With the exception of the aircraft type and the general phase of the flight what common elements are you seeing WCollins?

TEN-4 7th December 2003 04:16

WCollins:


The pattern you describe seems to be becoming a little too prevalent in the TBM700 world...not disimilar to the one I was involved in in Dundee in October and apparently similar to one in France last year.
What was the cause of your stove inn at Dundee WCollins? :confused:

PS. Hope your feeling better BT.

Skullllll:ok:

Zlin526 7th December 2003 04:52


The description of the Oxford accident suggests a stall/spin in on approach. On the face of it, not a lot in common with the Dundee Accident.
Please, lets respect the memory of the deceased pilot and pax, and wait for the official report to come out before speculating on what happened, especially if you were not there to witness it first hand.

Isnt it funny how, in times like this, we all become experts in aircraft accidents?

Z

2Donkeys 7th December 2003 05:21


Isnt it funny how, in times like this, we all become experts in aircraft accidents?
Hmmmmm.......

Your own righteous posting is one of a type after events like this.

We are here because we are pilots. When an aircraft wings over and hits the ground nearly vertically during the late stages of an approach, we are bound to wonder as to the cause. There are more and less likely scenarios.

To ponder such things in the company of other pilots does nothing to dishonour the memory of any other soul. Fault is not being discussed... only the chain of events.


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