Originally Posted by Talkdownman
(Post 10704845)
None currently published. IFR flights are limited to visual approaches (where a visual approach is [for those who might not know] an approach by an IFR flight executed with visual reference to terrain)
Or are there specific local procedures in place at Lasham? Although I was based literally "next door" for three tours I never saw any. |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10704853)
any approach could only be flown on a "see and be seen" basis, i.e. same as under VFR.
Or are there specific local procedures in place at Lasham? There are no specific procedures at Lasham. IFR Visual approaches are executed in the same manner as when approaching any other aerodromes without IAPs outside CAS under IFR. |
Originally Posted by Talkdownman
(Post 10704900)
Well, an IFR Visual Approach is not a VFR approach, the difference being that a 'visual approach' under IFR is not 'see and be seen', therefore not the same as when under VFR. A Visual Approach under IFR does not require VFR minima, and is flown solely with visual reference to terrain for navigation purposes only, whether out of choice or in the absence of an IAP. Traffic detection and avoidance on an IFR Visual Approach is a different matter. In other words its purpose is to locate a landing area visually, and not necessarily other traffic.
There are no specific procedures at Lasham. IFR Visual approaches are executed in the same manner as when approaching any other aerodromes without IAPs outside CAS under IFR. |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10705122)
I’m genuinely intrigued how an airliner flying under IFR can safely slot into a potentially very busy glider airfield such as Lasham.
Then bung in a primary radar (when it's working...) which is almost as old as the A/G operators themselves, and one has a very challenging situation for SARG ATS to regulate. But the system works, and the MRO and the gliding club co-exist harmoniously...most of the time... :O |
If only I understood what the last two abbreviations mean......
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10705342)
If only I understood what the last two abbreviations mean......
Please excuse me, but I haven't made them up, they are UK aviation industry abbreviations. |
Excuse me, but I do not excuse you :) Even if you did not invent all that gibberish, still nobody forced you to use them; neither did anyone forbid you to explain them, perhaps in a footnote. And you might be aware that not all readership here is or flies in the UK.
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TDM, Thank you. I didn't accuse you of making them up but I hadn't come across them before.
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There's an excellent resource on the Blackbushe website which is particularly relevant to their visitors but also gives an insight in to how the airspace is coordinated. Well worth a read before venturing to that part of the World.
2 weeks ago. I flew from the South-west to Biggin Hill, routing South of Lasham, via the Alton and Frensham VRPs, getting a service from Farnborough West. I see that my route and chosen level would still be valid today, so not much change for East-West routing. I can see that some N/S and variant routes could be a bit problematic. The Blackbushe site says Farnborough have 6-7 movements an hour, so there should be no delay in getting a crossing of the Class D. The major issue, from what I can see, is gliding from Lasham and people wanting to bimble about without an A-B plan. TOO |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10705122)
I’m often required to fly IFR in Class G and land without the benefit of IAPs. The relevant point is, the pilot is still responsible for complying with rules of the air, specifically wrt the right of way rules. I’m genuinely intrigued how an airliner flying under IFR can safely slot into a potentially very busy glider airfield such as Lasham.
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Originally Posted by TheOddOne
(Post 10705617)
6-7 movements an hour, so there should be no delay in getting a crossing of the Class D. The major issue, from what I can see, is gliding from Lasham and people wanting to bimble about without an A-B plan.
TOO |
I agree on a good gliding day, particularly during a competition period it is not uncommon to launch 150 gliders in the space of 90 minutes behind 9 or 10 tugs. and a lot of the gliders will sit in the overhead thermaling away.
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