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Sam Rutherford said
In clarification, I completed my contract on the Cape Town to Goodwood trip (leaving in Crete with the rest of the crew) as planned. It seems that Tracey's recollection is inexact on this point. |
I repeat, it seems that Tracey's recollection is inexact on this point.
I was not fired and my services (including, but not limited to, baggage logistics) were very definitely not dispensed with! |
Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford
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In clarification, I completed my contract on the Cape Town to Goodwood trip (leaving in Crete with the rest of the crew) as planned.
It seems that Tracey's recollection is inexact on this point. She would do well to read this little gem 6 Undeniable Signs Your Pride is Taking Over Your Life |
quote from cowes week regatta 2014 news feed online (its still there)
Cowes Week - News ''Be sure to look to the skies at the race start, as the classic biplane Spirit of Artemis will be buzzing the start line. The 1940s Boeing Stearman is piloted by pioneering British Aviatrix Tracey Curtis-Taylor, who solo navigated across Africa from Cape Town to Goodwood in 2013, and Tracey will give the racing fleet on the water a stunning send off.'' |
Originally Posted by noflynomore
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TCT is trying, foolishly, to ride a semantic tightrope here and her claim never to have herself described her flights as solo (there seems precious little, if any evidence that she did) may, just, be technically correct.
Source http://i.imgur.com/k2QgcH1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PHMktHW.jpg http://imgur.com/a/sZZpQ |
I have been a bit puzzled as I have no recollection of seeing the Stearman displayed at Farnborough 2014. The mystery has been solved courtesy of one Michael Bristowe who has posted an image at the following location.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126404...2/16559135660/ |
Noflynomore said...
"TCT is trying, foolishly, to ride a semantic tightrope here and her claim never to have herself described her flights as solo (there seems precious little, if any evidence that she did) may, just, be technically correct. What is so unacceptable is her continued behaviour around that denial. She is riding a highly lucrative wave that has been whipped up by her PR team and which is based on a falsehood that they have knowingly and deliberately perpetuated instead of correcting. The falsehood may not have been uttered by her, that is largely irrelevant if she continues not only to ride the wave but to continue promoting herself by egging the media on uncorrected in the full knowledge that it is all built on an untruth. Every time a media report referring to "solo" was published they effectively lied by failing to correct it. And correct it they seem never to have done, not once. That is pure collusion. TCT herself has repeatedly been asked in interviews/talks about her "solo" trip and has replied correcting all sorts of trivial detail, but never the word "solo" as far as we know. Thus she is fully implicated in the multiple, long term perpetration of an outright lie whether she spoke the words or not. Those that published it in good faith are merely innocent victims duped into peddling incorrect info by the conscious and deliberate omission of any correction. The wretched woman continues to protest her innocence re claims of solo despite popping words like "sole" into her publicity, "emulating" someone whose claim was flying solo. Her crime may not be actual false claims to solo but rather running a years long scam based on others being encouraged to say so and instead of correcting their error, encouraging more and more of it. There is a cynicism in such an approach that really grates with most of us, I think, a cynicism that tries to dupe us by an enthusiastically promoted con by proxy while claiming complete and bewildered innocence. Another example of this mindset are the claims to have "displayed" at Farnborough, RIAT and others on multiple occasions. Perhaps, semantically one could argue this is not literaly an untruth, but everyone understands that "displaying" at an airshow means flying in it, not having a stall there selling stickers, interviews and bragging. And when the claim relating to sticker stalls at a list of international events includes just one minor social flyby (Cowes Regatta, hardly an airshow) to enable the sentence to be preceeded by "static and/or flying display" at blah blah blah the words so carefully chosen not to be legalistically untrue just shriek the carefully planned intention to mislead, if not deceive. In a way these continued, years long attempts to rake maximum advantage from widespread misinformation which you had assiduously cultivated in others, or had allowed others to cultivate unchecked that represents a far, far more cynical intent to deceive than someone who merely took advantage from a one-off fib. This extended wilful deception by refusal to correct an untruth while busily promoting it and taking full advantage of it is a very nasty thing to do indeed. TCT should be under no illusions how the public feel about trickery like this and shouldn't be surprised at the results which will continue for some time I suspect. Continuing to assert innocence at this stage is as pointless as it is infantile". Nice post. Quite. Back in the thread, someone said that a representative from the primary sponsor, Artemis Investment Management went along enroute for a jolly. They surely must have read about the misrepresentations being made in the world press. They also have a duty of care and are indeed a company that are regulated. |
Many thanks for the grab below WeeJeem taken during her Museum of Flight lecture in Seattle. She gazes up at the montage of press cuttings and I think she is saying
'these are some of the solo press reports I have had to correct.' http://i.imgur.com/PHMktHW.jpg |
Posted by SWP some time ago (I think, apologies if not from him):
For the information of all on here, and a solid piece of evidence, I contacted the Telegraph to clarify the "quote" that was published in their newspaper as far back as October 2015. Here is a copy of my email to them: Quote: Dear Sir, I am writing to ask for clarification regarding a quotation in a Telegraph article 1 October 2015. The article, written by Nicola Harley, was: Female pilot starts epic solo flight to copy Amy Johnson Part way down the page we see a body of text in quotation marks and attributed to the pilot Tracey Curtis-Taylor. "When I was younger I was told by the military that I couldn't join because I'm a woman, and now look at me - I'm flying to the other side of the world on my own." Tracey Curtis-Taylor The link to the article is here : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... hnson.html I have now had a response from The Telegraph: Quote: Our Ref: 1046482 21 October 2016 Dear *******, Thank you for your recent communication to The Telegraph. Further to your enquiry, I have liaised with the journalist who has confirmed that they are the exact quotes. Yours sincerely, Katie Archer Editorial Compliance Executive Telegraph Media Group So, either the journalist is lying to her compliance team, or... |
Another one from the horses mouth:
“..so again my own background in sort of display flying, although I could never join the military by virtue of being a female - I was actually trained by military pilots in my formation, aerobatic and low level stuff - has all been done with military pilots……” The gender now. How many actual FLYING displays have you performed Tracey, where did they take place, and have you ever held a Display Authorization issued by the UK CAA that permitted you to carry out anything OTHER than a "flypast?" Perhaps you could also tell us precisely which airshows you have "managed" as is currently claimed (and captured) on your wiki bio? There are thousands of quotes still out there on the internet that really need to be captured in case they mysteriously disappear or get altered. WeeJeem's advice is highly recommended. |
Just to add Sam's link directly.
Female pilot starts epic solo flight to copy Amy Johnson - Telegraph Someone with a Facebook account might like to post that on her FB page as it rubbishes everything she's put in her 'statements'. |
"Although I would have been perfect for the military..." |
I have received an update on the LAA AGM from highly respected UK pilot Barry Tempest.
Well I proposed the motion to rescind and was pleased to do so. I was surprised to see Tracey at the AGM but she gave a fairly impassioned response which might have swayed a lot of those actually present. The proxy votes ensured the motion was passed. This is what I said in proposing the motion - "Like many of their contemporaries who blazed the aviation trails, flying with uncertainty into the unknown, courage was a foremost requisite, for the aviation pioneering trail is uncompromising showing no mercy to the feckless or faint-hearted. Amy Johnson and Lady Mary Heath possessed what it took to become pioneers, deservedly earning recognition amongst aviation's greatest." In the post war years women like Sheila Scott and Judith Chisholm have earned our admiration with their long distance flights. Finally, in more recent times, Polly Vacher has achieved many awe inspiring trips around the globe. All these women flew solo, alone and with no chase aircraft or experienced pilot with them. Unlike Tracey Curtis-Taylor with her high powered PR team and sponsors. The LAA awards committee were taken in by the hype and, in good faith, awarded her the Bill Woodhams trophy for 2014. An award to recognise feats of navigation. This was no feat of navigation worthy of recognition. I propose that the award be rescinded and her name struck from the records of the LAA. I think this saga will continue. |
She had tried to join the RAF in her youth but was refused on the basis she was a woman. In fact, nothing rings true about this, as the RAF would never have wasted time on any possible recruitment of a woman for a position which was closed to females. Or is this another sign of someone who thinks they can talk others round, to manipulate things to go exactly their way? "Although I would have been perfect for the military, I was a bit of a maverick... maybe I wouldn't have been best suited to a strict and disciplined life." |
Tim Kelly..
As publicity manager for both Tracey and Artemis, must be smacking his forehead, Homer Simpson-style, and going "D'oh!", right now. He might also be considering his future in the PR business. Perhaps that would be in contrast to the shot taken in ExecuJet's Sydney hangar where he features behind TCT while she proudly shows off the award from the AWPA for her "SOLO" accomplishment. In that photo, he is displaying quite a smug and self-satisfied grin while proudly overseeing yet another "mistake" being made. Tracey, being the modest and polite girl she is, was simply too kind to point out any error of course. (ahem!). . |
She has shared plenty of articles on Facebook with the word 'solo' in the headline.
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I've posted the picture of her doing a presentation in front of a huge slide proclaiming that she had been ALONE (my emphasis) in a c0ck-pit (her spelling mistake) twice now. In deference to the mods who have asked that we don't keep posting the same picture, I won't post it again; but if she does take legal action on the basis that she never claimed that the flights were solo, she might find that a bit hard to explain.
As regards the point made recently that WW2 veterans might just laugh at her for wearing RAF wings: of course THEY have every right to do that! (and I can well imagine how some of those I have flown with might!) It's probably true to say that those of us who admire and respect what those veterans did (and, more importantly, their comrades who are no longer here to express an opinion), and either didn't earn the honour ourselves or earned it but never saw combat are more easily offended. IMHO that doesn't make her action in wearing them any the less reprehensible. |
We would have had some sport. :)
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Chris Scott & rog747: Many thanks for your responses. I must admit I had no idea who Sam Rutherford is.
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KelvinD
Tracey Curtis-Taylor should watch this on BBC iplayer then think about what she has done BBC Two - They Flew Alone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Flew_Alone |
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Thanks for your earlier heads-up re the website developments, Cessnafly.
So, in a statement dated 11 June 2016, a year after Sam Rutherford first disclosed to PPRuNe that most of her Cape Town-to-Goodwood sectors were not flown solo, and a few weeks after she and Mr Gritsch emerged from the wreckage in Arizona, Ms Curtis-Taylor wrote: "I am deeply disappointed at the comments coming from a particular source making false assertions that my flight expeditions should have been executed as solo flights. They were not." The last sentence is open to interpretation, perhaps deliberately, but I infer that it means that neither were her flight expeditions solo, nor was there any requirement for them to be solo. On the latter point, she - as the instigator of these journeys - was free to decide whether she would attempt to fly them solo. There seems to be ample evidence that after the Cape Town-to-Goodwood trip she claimed to have completed it solo. Before departing Farnborough for Australia in October 2015 she told the world by implication, if not specifically, that the trip would be flown solo to emulate Amy Johnson's. On her arrival in Darwin on 1st January, her website still included the following claim: "...following in the slipstream of aviator Amy Johnson to recreate her pioneering solo flight from Great Britain to Australia." No wonder that the world's media took her at her word and credited her with an all-solo journey. No wonder, in the light of some photographs of her in flight suggesting otherwise, that the curiosity of her fellow pilots, many of whom know only too well the difference between flying cross-country alone and flying with a co-pilot, led to many searching questions being asked and various sceptical comments being made. But the lady appears to have been unaware or in denial of the controversy. Neither she nor her not-inconsiderable support team made any attempt to address it, or - most significantly - correct the misleading reports. She personally had many opportunities, including an interview with the BBC for Radio 4's flagship news and current-affairs programme, Today, on January 9. Following that interview the programme's website stated: "British aviation adventurer, Tracey Curtis-Taylor has completed a 13,000 mile solo flight from Britain to Australia in a vintage open cockpit biplane. The 53 year-old set off from Hampshire in October. She has emulated the pioneering British aviator, Amy Johnson, who became the first woman to fly solo between the two countries in 1930." As I commented on PPRuNe's AH&N forum on January 9th: "The problem for the team now is that the advantages of encouraging - or at least allowing - the media to report this as a solo flight might be more than outweighed by the negative effects of any [future] admission to the contrary. And the solo description lingers on." So it is proving, unfortunately. |
Barry Tempest said.
In the post war years women like Sheila Scott and Judith Chisholm have earned our admiration with their long distance flights. Finally, in more recent times, Polly Vacher has achieved many awe inspiring trips around the globe. I was at Rothera on the Antarctic Peninsula when she passed through on the attempt to cross the continent via the Pole to McMurdo. No co-pilot or support team or fanfare. The flight was right on the limit of endurance for her Piper Dakota. She waited a number of days for a favourable forecast for that leg, and eventually set off towards the Pole, but sadly by the time she was reaching PNR it was clear that the hoped-for tailwinds had not quite been enough, and she made the brave decision to turn back. I seem to remember she landed back at Rothera after about 14 hours airborne. She had planned her logistics well, with fuel depoted at McMurdo for the onward leg to New Zealand - I believe she generously donated that fuel to someone else who had not prepared so well and had ended up stranded at McMurdo in a light homebuilt(?) While she did have sponsorship for her flights, she used them to raise awareness for Flying Scholarships for the Disabled, and I would say her MBE for services to charity was well-deserved. |
Oh boy, the supporters of Missy have got themselves all of a lather over on her farcebook page.
Sad reading really. CC |
Oh boy, the supporters of Missy have got themselves all of a lather over on her farcebook page. Adventurers and Pioneers do not need to defend any of their actions to anybody for whatsoever reason. I suppose that's why there's an "over there" in every room, so I can stay over here with pilots I respect. |
Yes, it's funny isn't it?
The "Up-to-the-Minute" Farcebook crowd avidly 'following' Tracey's Fantastic Flying Fun Fair. "Reality" .. what's that? Thank goodness for PPRuNe. |
her own website front page billed it as "following in the slipstream of aviator Amy Johnson to recreate her pioneering solo flight from Great Britain to Australia"
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109...nabiplane.com/ The detail page does go on to state: "Tracey was supported by a second aircraft; a Cessna Caravan provided by Phoenix Aviation of Nairobi,which carried a logistics manager, an engineer and a four-man film crew." but doesn't mention anyone else in her plane. or how about her own website again: "In preparation for her solo flight across Africa," Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker was that one a real solo, or a "re-creation" without the pesky solo part? or "The Cape Town to Goodwood flight took two months to complete with 38 stops. Tracey was supported by a second aircraft; a Cessna Caravan provided by Phoenix Aviation of Nairobi, which carried a logistics manager, an engineer and a four-man film crew. In preparation for her solo flight across Africa, Tracey was invited to join a 3 man Russian crew ferry flying an old piston engined Antonov 2 biplane from Kiev to Cape Town" https://web.archive.org/web/20150204...om/operations/ Personally I have no idea how the media got the impression that these would be solo flights.. |
Despite wooly statements on the Bird In A Biplane media page TCT has never explained why she could no longer fly solo after the first few legs.
As I have stated previously, I began with the intention of trying to fly the Africa flight solo (as the original descriptive materials from Nylon films show) but a combination of elements resulted in fundamental changes being made to the nature of that expedition. Now what "elements" could prevent such a highly trained 'aviatrix' flying alone? "so again my own background in sort of display flying"......"I was actually trained by military pilots in my formation, aerobatic and low level stuff - has all been done with military pilots" Flight planning and logistics are the same with one or two in the aircraft. The aircraft was covered in GoPro cameras. Why would you want to contaminate the aircraft on a solo voyage with a second person who also happen to be a commercial pilot? How did the outreach programme and charities stop TCT flying solo to "emulate" Mary Heath who did exactly that? |
Of course, it would be interesting to understand why the solo part of plan was changed. :)
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Yet again there have been more clumsy edits to the woman's Wikipedia entry...
More bleating about there having been no intention to deceive anyone about the conduct of her flights. But equally, were there any attempts to correct the impressions she and her PR machine had clearly made? |
The other main question is why she needed someone ( who happened to be a commercial pilot and flight instructor) up front on the short hop from Richmond air force base to Sydney Kingsford Smith airport?
She knew the press were waiting so why not fly solo? It could not be for lack of training or navigational reasons? ."I was actually trained by military pilots " https://s11.postimg.org/mcj5osqmr/image.jpg She then happily accepted the solo flight certificate from the Australian Womens Pilots Association. TCT has said in a statement she intends to sue me and Sam Rutherford. For what? Telling the truth:ok: I am sorry but this all resembles the Bill Clinton defence. |
TCT has said in a statement she intends to sue me and Sam Rutherford. |
I spent most of my life before retirment in radio and tv studios on the sharp end asking the questions.
Court rooms are relaxing compared to live broadcasting. Politicians and officials normally enter a studio with a preconceived idea of how the interview should go. They tend to never answer a direct question with a direct answer. TCT got pretty much a free rein on the soft run up to the 8.00am news on the Today programme and Nick Robinson took her story at face value. She has obviously been on a media training course. I think she would fall apart quickly when asked to answer the question instead of making a statement. We will see. I would like to ask Boeing about their misleading press releases:ok: |
Here's a Wee Gem that I think merits some air time... :D It's by Richard Evans @laid_back_rich Cycled around the world, feet first and laid back on a recumbent bike, April-Oct 2014. Book here: http://tinyurl.com/hgrr48g proceeds to @RoadPeace "All royalties from this book will go to RoadPeace, a small charity..." I wasn't sure which the charity would benefit from more, the Kindle edition or the paperback. So I bought both. I like people like this, who do things like this. £10 well spent, I think. :ok: Go on, once you've read the quote below, you know what you have to do. :p |
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Hi, I don't know if this Facebook entry has been shown before but I just scrolled down her Facebook site and found this. It looks like the pages have been altered to throw a different light one her achievements since the solo, not solo but alone whitewash but someone missed this revealing photo - can I see 2 people in this picture:rolleyes:
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Her own twitter feed seems to be happy enough to promote the solo aspect:
"Karachi embraces Tracey amiably on her solo journey to 23 countries" https://twitter.com/biplanebird/stat...39609574690817 plus numerous retweets of major news stories headlined "solo" I plan to fly solo to Houston, but operational reasons mean I will be flying instead with BA club world, however I shall continue to refer to my planned solo flight to Houston. :D |
I have a vague recollection that may have been posted some time back - but isn't it funny how the UN could get it wrong not once, but (at least) twice!!! ... Tracey once again landed in the news for another historic and treacherous solo flight ... http://i.imgur.com/FfxvQor.jpg |
All filed for my defence in the impending 'legal proceedings':ok:
All of this PR info came from Spirit of Artemis PR man Tim Kelly. |
..."O sole Mio....."
DG (your #2155),
Yes, you can ! And the comment by Beverley Harrison is very revealing of the current muddled thinking ! "...so when is it ever truly solo ?".... Forsooth ! ! Many moons ago, BBC "Look North" was short of items, so found some air-to-air footage of a 16 yr old girl doing her first solo on a glider at a local club. Downwind, the presenter thought the programme needed pepping-up. "No earthly power can help her now", she gushed. And that, dear Beverley, is the exact point. You are "alone and unaided" - and only you can save your skin. That's what "solo" means. In the particular case, the teenager flew an excellent circuit and did a fair landing. Nothing to see here, folks- move along. Danny. |
WeeJem
I almost wished you hadn't posted that...I've just read it post lunch and feel quite ill...... "freak weather, technology failure and risks in war torn countries..." At the current rate I wonder how long it will be before she starts hinting she was on the Iranian Embassy balcony? |
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