So what?
Those comments Jay Sata, or whoever you are, are irrelevant to any points I am making about TCT, and I am personally not remotely interested in them.
I do know Sam Rutherford and if you did you would discover he is a very nice chap. I introduced him to Tracey a long time ago prior to her SA trip, and they didn't get on which is a matter for huge sadness and disappointment to me. However, thsts not the issue. The issue is that TCT deserves some credit for what was a very commendable couple of flights.
To repeat what I said earlier, the Air League and HCAP knew she was not solo and the awards were given to her on that basis. The LAA got it wrong -twice. Firslly for not checking what they were giving her an award for, and secondly withdrawing it based on a postal ballot without declaring th facts to voters.

It's not a matter of "staking my reputation on this. Of course I'm not. I am simply saying that she should be given some credit for her achievements. I'm also saying it's time to stop sniping st her,

I will do that when I am next in contact and that might not be soon.

What I cannot understand is why some people, like Terry Holloway, are so blind to what she has done.

This is all about someone who has from the outset misled sponsors. The money that Artemis and Boeing put up will have been on the basis that she flew SOLO.

Terry; one statement from TCT..." I have never sought to mislead"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw



Care to explain that then Mr Holloway? (if it really is you)

No one is suggesting any one is a "stupid fool"!

Of course it's me. I don't need to hide my identity! Nor am I blind to what she has done! She flew an aeroplane on two long flights with a passenger and its sad that people on this thread won't give her any credit for her achievements. And no, I cannot explain the statement you offer because I am not speaking for her.

Terry

She did not fly an aeroplane on two long flights with a passenger.

She flew the Stearman dual with Ewald Gritsch who rebuilt it and is a 20'000 hour commercial pilot

That is what this thread is all about.

My long deceased grandma could have been in the back seat.

I certainly haven't read all the posts, and I only came across this thread when a journalist contacted me in connection with Maurice Kirk. My knowledge is based on the award the Air League gave her in May on the basis of a dual fight. I also had some conversations with Sam Rutherford soon after her return from SA and subsequently. Her trip to Aus was advertised as carrying a passenger, but the media assumed she was solo; and yes she should have corrected them. However, apart from the LAA all other organisations which presented her with awards knew the facts!

I agree with what you say about the film and the flight.
Sniping? Doing her down?
Didn't she make a statement a month or two ago?

Everyone

I have absolutely no doubt that Terry is posting genuinely and that it really is him. Please give him credit for engaging in the debate and let us all do so on the basis of unemotional, preferably documented, facts.

I have now asked my three questions three times. Can I suggest that we let him go away and try to persuade Ms Curtis-Taylor to answer them?

Either she has good answers, or she does not.

If she has: then many here will owe her an apology

If she has not: then we will see whether she has the bottle to do likewise.

IMHO, it really is as simple as that.

Just checking; forgive my suspicion but I have learned to be dubious about anything to do with TCT, especially if it is from her or her supporters.

She lied in 2014, there is no doubt she lied before that date, and I don't doubt for one second that she continues to lie.

She is not, and never will be, a suitable role model. What she has actually done does not deserve the level of adulation and awards she has been given. So far, only the LAA have seen sense; others will follow.

If she wants my details she can have them, all I need is an e-mail to [email protected]

Nothing I have said is untrue, it can be backed with solid evidence, and I will stand by that.

Terry

I cannot believe you are so naive that you have not seen,read or indeed heard her claims of solo flight.

That is what this thread is all about.

Can I just ask what you and others have given awards for?

What has she achieved?

Why no award for Ewald who built a beautiful Stearman?


A dual flight with one person getting awards?

That is sexism.

Jonzaro..

Can you post your questions again?

Terry,
If you indeed are who you say you are, and the only reason I say this is because I wouldn't want somebody fighting my corner whose correspondence was below par.
But most of the points that you raise have been addressed a long, long time ago.
Every point you raise has at some stage been 'cut and pasted' or 'linked' to something that is now a past chapter.
The inconvenient truth is that the person in question didn't stop digging when she should have done and consequently has now got to face the aftermath of what could have been a lot easier had she stopped lying sooner.


I fully acknowledge that I did play a part in the removal of the LAA award, I would rather have not done so , but it has been shown beyond reproach that the removal was totally justified !
The BiaB entourage are now preparing to re-enact the U.S. debacle for 2017. This is not a good idea, neither the U.S. press/media, nor the U.S. GA community are going to give any of this mission any sort of benevolence.
Don't waste your energy and resources on here. Direct them where they should be. The person in question is probably far too precious to acknowledge reality . How long are you planning to carry on digging on her behalf ?

As I understand it she was PIC so it couldn't be considered to be dual. Yes, he is an instructor but as I understand it he was not instructing her. She and he both said she was the handling pilot and PIC FOR ALL OF BOTH TRIPS. On that basis all he can put in his logbook are passenger hours. If he was PIC, she would have to be PUS. I've not seen either of their logbooks and nor will I, but I understand this was all explained by them both at a HCAP meeting where all of that was accepted as fact. He was in the cockpit, as I understand it, for quite a bit of the Australia trip (other passengers were in there for a number of legs), and he was in the front for most of the SA trip according to Sam, who also confirmed she was solo for a few legs.

Gosh Terry you are certainly wearing a very rosy coloured pair of spectacles,you really do need to read the whole thread thoroughly as most of the contributors are articulate,experienced,intelligent,honest,professional aviators.They are unanimous in their belief that the TCT's of this world lack the integrity required to be highly regarded in aviation.Aviators can be a bit precious sometimes but those that deserve the accolades put in an incredible amount of effort and shear hard work to achieve their goals and therefore warrant the recognition.TCT's well orchestrated stunts are worthy of nothing.....going on an Antarctic cruise would hardly put me in Shackleton's league.

Originally Posted by Cessnafly

Whilst I accept that Terry Holloway has now verified his position at The Air League, and actually endorses the TC-T deceitful and fraudulent behaviour, we can perhaps now get a clearer understanding as to how he would go about conducting his own daily business. This is just normal daily antics/business for some.

I think he comes here to offer an absolutely pitiful and disgraceful defense in justifying the award, bearing in mind that the goal post were moved 3 times at HCAP just to make it fit and stick.

The other thing that really frustrates me is that 'they' believe we are stupid fools.


"No one is suggesting any one is a "stupid fool"!



Terry,

You have very selective reading. Did the first two paragraphs go whoosh, or were they deliberately ignored?

If you didn't think we were fools, you wouldn't be here trying to insult our intelligence. Seriously! :ugh:

In my opinion, the LAA have more honour and integrity than both The Air League and HCAP put together.

Terry

It would help if we saw photo evidence of other people in the the Spirit of Artemis apart from Ewald.

Sadly there is none out there.

We all know the trip became the Spirit of Artifice and the gin and tonic awards crowd swallowed it hook line and sinker.

I think Tracey missed her vocation.

She is a great actress.

Do you think I should not have started this thread?

Yes, of course I am aware of what was said in the media about solo flight and I bet she regrets not correcting them at the time. Ive also been sent a copy of her interview at Herne Bay. Yes the public has been misled, but she has recently corrected that with a very clear statement. My reason for entering this thread - and I might wish I hadnt(!)- was to make clear that the award given by The Air League was for a flight carrying a passenger, that she should be given some credit for two very gutsy and credit worthy flights, and that people might consider leaving her alone and not sniping at her over everything and anything - including Maurice Kirk. Actually he deserves to be sniped at, but it appears he is being idolised by many! That's another thread which I won't involve myself with!
Actually, having said what I said, it's clear that you zealots/hyenas won't take a blind bit of notice.....!
And I still don't understand the need for a mask of anonymity!!

Terry, you use a very interesting word in your posts and that is "understand".

Where does your "understanding" come from? It will be from what you have been told or read by the BiaP team; in much the same way that Artemis and Boeing "understood" the flights to be solo, in much the same way that the press "understood" her flights to be solo, and the awards committees at various establishments also "understood" her to be flying solo.

I appreciate your attempts to defend her but please "understand" that the truth is not what you and your colleagues have been spoon-fed.

Take a while to read back through this thread, it will be worth it and will clear up any mis-understanding as to the root cause of it all.

Jaysata

As you have asked me to repost these questions, here they are although I did post a link to one of the posts containing them earlier today:

1. What is the reconciliation between Ms Curtis-Taylor's well documented claim to have flown her african flight "solo". Please see the video clip published earlier in this thread:

Tracey Curtis-Taylor (Merged threads)

in which she personally makes that claim, and her subsequent public statement that the flight was not solo?

2. Given the above, what was she doing in the picture of her, published several times earlier in this thread, standing in front of a huge picture depicting the route and claiming she had been "Alone in an open cock-pit [sic] plane"?

3. By what authority, and with what qualification, does she wear RAF wings?


One point I would make is that I believe that these three questions are at the heart of this debate. I would ask all of those who feel aggrieved by what Ms Curtis-Taylor may or may not have done to allow the focus to remain directly on getting answers to them.

Spleen venting about the perceived sins she may or may not have committed only serves to veil these questions which i still believe go to the heart of the question of whether Ms Curtis-Taylor deserves the accolades she has received or not.

Please: let's focus on whether she "did what she said on the tin" or not. If yes, let's all apologise to her. If not, let's see if she can be persuaded to own up and apologise.

For my part: whichever of those routes she goes, I would support her. Whether as someone who has justified her position or as someone who screwed up, recognised the fact and genuinely turned over the proverbial new leaf.

Let's see!

Terry

If I can just remind you...

Air League Award overseen by you.
http://www.airleague.co.uk/wp-conten...chApril_16.pdf

No mention of Ewald who baled out quickly in Sydney.
Here is that wonderful picture again with Ewald trying to hide.http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cps...30831214-1.jpg

The precise wording on the citation is on the Air League files, but it recognised her flight, her encouragement of women in aviation and her outreach work. A copy could be provided but frankly it's irrelevant. At the time of the LAA withdrawal of the Bill Wadhams the Air league was asked by someone ( I can't recall who) to withdraw our award, but we said no.

Thanks. We knew it was not solo and Erwald "baling out" was irrelevant if that's what he did!
All along the flight was published as carrying passengers and the Chairmans speech made precisely that point. The speech for next award to Johan Ekland started "unlike the previous award this was a solo flight....."

I've caught up more than enough!

I don't think you appreciate Terry ,the damage TCT did to GA with her claims of solo flight in the media.

She, you and others appear to now back track and say she never flew solo?

That was not the story a year ago.

The press would never have covered such a blatant PR jaunt.

Why did you not correct claims such as this.
British pilot Tracey Curtis Taylor days away from completing 13,000 mile solo flight - ITV News

Nicola Harley at the Daily Telegraph says TCT told her it was a solo trip,hence this story.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/avia...y-Johnson.html