PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Private Flying (https://www.pprune.org/private-flying-63/)
-   -   Blackpool Airport (https://www.pprune.org/private-flying/548977-blackpool-airport.html)

Shaggy Sheep Driver 19th Oct 2014 18:50


Maybe Blackpool will re- emerge as a GA centre of excellence. Time will tell if a Rich white Knight steps up to the plate. Think I may hold my breath on that one.
Contrary to his name, maxred is turning blue!

Time to take a breath, mate!

mad_jock 19th Oct 2014 19:00

If bb own the airport but not the land is there anything stopping them destroying the runway and selling every thing down to the last light bulb on the site?

maxred 19th Oct 2014 19:24

MJ, they could lock the gates tonight, and it could be a Tesco in two months time.

SSD, lol, I always was blue, very right of centre blue.........

Cows getting bigger 19th Oct 2014 19:25

Tesco? Too upmarket for Blackpool. More likely a Kwiksave.

Tongue out-of-cheek, making a CAT business out of somewhere like Blackpool is near impossible. Others on the dream list should include:

Doncaster
Humberside
Derry/Londonderry
Durham Tees Valley
Norwich
Valley (or whatever they call the civilian bit)
Prestwick

maxred 19th Oct 2014 19:43


Doncaster
Humberside
Derry/Londonderry
Durham Tees Valley
Norwich
Valley (or whatever they call the civilian bit)
Prestwick
The combined losses of that lot could run the NHS for a month or so.......

horatio_b 19th Oct 2014 20:11

Others making sizeable losses include Liverpool (£7.1m) and Leeds (£5.2m).

Any airport without a large shopping centre attached, to generate income, is going to struggle.

xrayalpha 19th Oct 2014 20:19

Couple of operators in Scotland with AOCs that allow commercial flights from unlicensed airfields:

Loch Lomond Seaplanes and Hebridean, if I recall correct.

So we could have a US model?

maxred 19th Oct 2014 21:08

LLS have had a pretty major uphill struggle to survive, and if it had not been for the tenacity of its owner, well.....

Hebridean feed off a very large government subsidy. Without it, no operation.

Sorry, issues go much deeper, and a U.S. model, under EASA??????

no slots 20th Oct 2014 20:45

I think you'll find that Norwich is one of the fastest growing( if not the fastest) regional airports in the UK. There is lots going on and more to come. Diversity is the name of the game.

Cleared For A Coffee 21st Oct 2014 09:27

Horatio...

Liverpool has actually made a decent operating profit the last few years, it's the interest on the overall debt which brings it into a net loss.

NorthSouth 21st Oct 2014 17:10


Diversity is the name of the game
That's surely right, and good luck to Norwich, they deserve a decent airport.
But they've been lucky in having a very nice baseline of offshore heli traffic where the "customers" are all offshore employees where the costs of security provision etc are ultimately all paid by the oil/gas companies.
The challenge for the others is to haul themselves out of the cul-de-sac of ever-decreasing income from commercial air transport users, driven by the obnoxious O'Leary, and in an era where any commercial air transport activity attracts massive security costs.
NS

gasax 21st Oct 2014 18:08

As far as the 'growth of Norwich traffic' is concerned it would appear the East Anglian IQ continues to decline - or have the thieving airport management stopped ripping off passengers by charging them to get into the departure lounge with the 'Airport development fee'?

Without paying it of course you cannot get on a flight..................inspite of buying a ticket etc...

When exactly is the airport going to be 'developed'?

Shaggy Sheep Driver 21st Oct 2014 18:53


But they've been lucky in having a very nice baseline of offshore heli traffic where the "customers" are all offshore employees where the costs of security provision etc are ultimately all paid by the oil/gas companies.
Didn't Blackpool enjoy this advantage, too, with the Morcambe Bay Gas Field Heli operation?

no slots 21st Oct 2014 20:13

gasax,
You seem to be the font of all knowledge about Norwich. Airport development, some already started, some starting very soon.
New radar, state of the art engine running facility, large aircraft spray centre, aviation academy.
Basically, you have a choice. Pay the Developement fee and have a hassle free flight/ holiday. Carpark next to the terminal. Free trolleys. 1hr check in. Or drive to another airport and back again possibly at some stupid o'clock. Pay lots of money to park away from the airport, 2hr check in, pay for trolleys. Wait ages for your bags etc.
It appears that plenty of people chose to pay the fee.
In my experience security is the same where ever you choose for all the security bashers out there.:)

maxred 22nd Oct 2014 20:41

Well done Norwich.....getting back to Blackpool, this does not look promising for the future of ANY ops:ooh:


gasax 23rd Oct 2014 11:24

Interesting background from the liquidator.

According to the CAA, in 2008 Blackpool had 424,000 passengers, last year 235,000.

So if the liquidator is to be believed, it never so much as broke even. Which asks just one or two questions of Balfour Beatty's management of the place over quite a long period.

As for Norwich - the airport 'development' fee has according to their own site been used to pay for;

Over the last four years the ADF has helped investment in the following projects at the airport:

- Increase in holiday destinations (both summer and winter) and retention of scheduled services
- Terminal building extension and refurbishment
- Flight information system
- Main apron upgrades for aircraft parking in front of the terminal
- State of the art radar equipment
- Fire training and emergency response facilities and equipment
So in other words the basic running of the facility

maxred 23rd Oct 2014 13:38


So in other words the basic running of the facility
:D

That is the UK population for you - SHEEEPLE........

md 600 driver 23rd Oct 2014 20:08

so blackpool has had 2.35 million in £10 development money LAST YEAR ALONE where has this gone? is someone going to be accountable ?

Wont the CAA take any blame

maxred 23rd Oct 2014 20:43

I flew to the Ilse of Man last year, one way to pick up my plane. I was charged the 10.00 development fee, which was a bit of a shock because when I booked the ticket, no where did it mention an additional 10.00 fee to travel out of Blackpool. This fee was non negotiable, because you could not get through security, of which there were many I might add, unless you had the voucher.

Now, if they were trading whilst insolvent, that is illegal, and a claim may be possible from all those that paid the fee. Deemed fraud perhaps.......only because there was no chance of any 'Development'.

Mikeod 7th Nov 2014 07:08

Rm is in the paper again

?Safety threat? fears over loss of airport - Blackpool Gazette


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:10.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.