So, do we have any volunteers to teach this guy to fly?




No?





Thought not.

On the contrary, I have had private email from two different forumites offering me additional links, information and a bit of perspective on the kind of bias that I might come across here.

I'll take my lessons from someone I trust, thanks. With any luck they're a little less smug...

I'm still waiting for links to LOC and RLOC. You did say they were well-documented.

You're a qualified medical expert now? I thought instructors were there to teach flying not delve into the medical history of students.

What you actually said was
No fact finding or any of that. He shook because he was anxious so you told him to give up. You should have elaborated fella. Then you wouldn't have looked lazy or stupid because there is no way that I would give up on a student just because they were anxious.

Go ahead and knock that chip off.

You're kidding. You haven't heard of something so therefore it doesn't exist ? Check the FAA Safety Team web page. You have heard of the FAA haven't you ? If not, you may have a bigger problem.

It's a pretty well understood phenomenon. They generally comprise two types: those who have 'done it' (got the licence) and want to move on to the next box to tick, and those who found they didn't really like it but persevered until they qualified (the less determined personalities drop out earlier).

Actually, as a brad new PPL, one knows not a lot about flying. 35 years later I'm still learning about flying. It's a licence to learn. As one learns, one's opinions about aspects of aviation change.

Give it up pal. Your Troll cover is blown. I've course I've heard of loss of control. I've actually done some flying. Do you even have a licence?
Similarly you said that LSA's weigh this and that all over the world - they don't. A ULA is a sort of light sport aircraft, as is a VLA. They're relatively light aircraft, mostly used for sport flying. An LSA (Light Sport Aircraft, not light sport aircraft) is an FAA category, where the aircraft is built to ASTIM standards. They have strict criteria for speed, weight equipment etc. You said that in Germany an LSA is 472kg. It isn't - that's a German ULA, (and it can only weigh 472.5 with a BRS, otherwise its 450kg). The LSA category doesn't exist in Germany. So it would appear that you do not even fully understand the aviation regulations of the country where you currently live - yes?
As I said earlier, you're not only spouting rubbish, its ill-informed rubbish.

Its a real shame :( I'm going away for a few days and will not have internet access. I'll miss this thread and the chuckles it brings every time I open it. Keep it up guys and gals so I've got something to look forward to when I get back.


Seasons greetings xxxxxx

'tis the season to be jolly :ok:

Jeeezuss. So now that I give you the reference you've nagged for (which you really ought to have known already), that's your reply. Sure, you'd heard of LOC :hmm:

Easier to call someone a troll than to post a sensible reply. :D

Did anyone else have any joy googling the well-documented R-LOC or RLOC?
Because despite its well-documented status I had none.
Oh, and what is this German LSA of which you speak?
I called you a Troll because that is what you clearly are.
Do you accept or deny my assertion that you do not even fully understand the aviation regulations of the country where you currently live? Its a simple enough question.

I thought everyone understood what RLOC means, it's 'revolving line of credit' :ok:

Probably not, so therefore it surely does not exist. Larry Page knows everything, if it is not on Google, there is clearly no such thing. You weren't kidding, you really are that ignorant.

Please see this link :

FK-Lightplanes

In Germany, these are classed as UL, and subject to a MTOW of 472.5 kg. In the US, they are classified as LSA. If you look really, really closely, you will notice, that despite the different regulations, and whether they're flown in the US or in Germany, they are in fact (wait for it.....................) the same aircraft.

A little rich from someone who had no idea what LOC is. Or wait, you actually did know what LOC is but you were testing me to see if I really knew what it was, and when I posted you a link to the US aviation regulator, you pointed out that yes, of course, you knew what it was. Sure. Before you challenge my understanding of local regulations perhaps you should at some point, visit the website of yours. Just a suggestion. Use it, don't use it (I'll hazard a guess at which of those options you'll choose)

I completely accept your assertion that I do not *fully* understand the aviation regulations where I currently live. Hence, my research. You know, research ?? Oh, never mind....:ugh:

Sorry pal. A number of people here have tried to help you, but you just won't be told. Should you ever try and become a pilot (and with your know-it-all attitude I'd strongly advise against it) its sort of a given that when you're offered advice or instruction you might want to consider taking it.
Stick to Flight Simming. I understand that Microsoft have mitigated the risks rather well.

LSM

too bad it wasn't LSMFT

a student shook, an instructor realized that the shaking was an abnormal level...think paint shaker at a hardware store.

delving into the students feelings I asked if he really wanted to learn to fly

he said no.

I told him he shouldn't fly then.

short story made long, all to show LSM that his world of, ''stiff upper lip" and all that doesn't fly.


OH, and a medical expert? No. But certainly if you saw someone that you thought may have a medical problem, you would have them consult a doctor before they spent a small fortune on learning to fly, and then not being able to exercise their airmans certificate.

tell us all LSM, if your copilot on the big jet showed up shaking, for no good reason, would you let him occupy the right seat on a revenue flight?

well, maybe you would...I wouldn't . I would delve.

oh wait...knowing you and that chip, all of your copilots probably shake.

CHIP BOY

LOL, that made my day, thank you ! When that poorly substantiated advice tries to convince me that LSA are safer than research (from some fairly credible sources) and therefore logic tell me it is, yes indeed, I will ignore it. That's the thing with advice, see. You need to understand what it's based on before you blindly follow it. In your case I imagine it is based on emotion and / or bias, whereas I prefer to use advice based on experience, research, or data. None of which, so far, you have been able to offer. Let's leave it there, shall we?

Is that the same research where you told us all about German LSAs, or how well-documented R-LOC is? Oh, and my advice is based on several thousand hours, in everything from fast jets to sailplanes and including ULAs, VLAs and yes LSAs. You say that for example the FK-12 is the same whether its operated as a ULA or LSA. You base this on the fact that they look the same (you've never flown one, have you?) I've flown the -12. At the ULA MAUW of 472.5 the wing-loading (you might want to look that up) is a bit low so it does get bounced around a bit, while the useful load is poor. Flown as an LSA
of 600kg its better all round and a great little airplane. Stick to flight sims pal. Nice and safe, risk completely mitigated.

And perhaps you should continue to dispense such sage advice based on your thousands of hours not knowing what LOC is, or relying on google as your primary source of aviation terminology. Don't let your sky god complex get ahead of you now, that could be dangerous.....

Just going to get some popcorn..... anybody fancy taking bets whether this thread will run longer than (Motorway Flying did? Perhaps the MODs can set up a special award for the most entertaining thread.... I'm not sure which is better as yet, but must say this thread is highly entertaining......:)

I can find no reference to R-LOC anywhere. Emailed a few buddies who between them have over 100,000 hours. No joy. Has anyone else ever heard the well-documented term R-LOC? Anyone? Anyone at all?
I've just had a thought - its a Microsoft FS term isn't it?

eyesup: I have my PPL, am willing to send you a scan of it to prove it, but I've NEVER heard of LOC or RLOC - I had to google it just to find out what that meant. Now, I'm no SkyGod, nor do I make any pretence at being one, but having my licence and flying frequently, I feel I am able to give some insight into risk mitigation about my hobby - at least, I feel I can give you more insight than you'll get from any uninitiated to general aviation can - and I'm sure 90% of the other contributors in this thread fall into the same category, are also willing to allow you to benefit from their knowledge and experience.

My point is this: we might not know what RLOC / LOC is, but each and every one of us here makes a conscious decision before we go flying, we weigh up the risks involved in our hobby before we line up and depart so instead of throwing around abbreviations which you have picked up here and there (which are more or less known within the industry), instead of criticising those who would offer you an insight from their own perspective, why not listen to those insights?

I learnt to fly because I was scared stiff of flying. Now I love it, I fly as often as I can. As long as we all follow the rules, the risk is mitigated - mainly due to check lists, systems and controls. So as I have previously stated: if your concern is leaving your wife / children behind, just ensure your life assurance covers the risk of private flying (mine does, the cost of adding general aviation coverage to it is €2 / €1000 coverage / year.) and go learn to fly. Yes, your dependants might miss you if you make a balls up and crash, but at least they'll be financially secure and you'll have enjoyed flying whilst you can.....