Start the training freshly with them. Saying you want this and that makes of you the over-smart guy. Flight training is a totally different kind of education. You're a basically at the mercy of ATOs and changing of ATOs can be a delicate thing to deal with which everyone wants to avoid. So make sure you're giving the correct impression enough for you to get what you want.

When i landed in HU for the second time and getting to know what the country is really about i felt like being in an invaded by Russia country(technically this true).

Now understand that to train there you will need summer and in summer ATOs are full of turks who are ready to pay 600 EUR for a room per month, competition forces you to live in below the standard places unless you can really pay well.

You will be flying 1-2 hours daily and like me since you have no theory for the rest of the day you will be left wandering around with no absolute distractions; never under-estimate this. In a foreign country with long summer days and loneliness, emotional breakdowns can be really harsh.

Schools hate turks but like their money and let them run the same mistakes until they're overriding budget and start freaking out, i'm sure you know how to qualify them. When desperate i'm sure they won't care if you're Turk or EU they will simply smash your bank account.

I was basically in the best school of Hungary which is Fly...., the rest of them don't even consider. I was being trained by a guy there, P... G.. he has a very good english but he shouldn't be instructing, in fact he himself told me he was desperate for that airline job. He was swearing at me very often in the cockpit for not being able to do low passes on the second day of training. He was an absolute morron but useless to whine about now since i'm well set.

On the third day he did the same and in the midst of the flight i told him to land. Right after i reminded him i come from Western Europe, and when i give you my money i want a proper instruction in return. Not your frustration because on monday you failed your Wizzair interview.

I talked with a few previous stud and even his colleagues told me the business of the school. They give you a PPL for €7-8(k). They know people are always weary about cheap deals, so at the beginning of the year they train 2-3 guys and use them as ref to attract us on their cheap deals. By summer they're full that's why they want you to land on the very second day itself. For that price standard is even lower than a puppy mill, they don't want to lose another €7k because you're not picking up the skills quickly enough. Infact it was a guy on pprune here who recomended them to me, after that experience sorry to be generalizing, but never again in Eastern Europe for flight training unless i want to go and get dental treatment for cheap there.

Look at their websites and the way they market their schools itself shows you how artificial the campaigns are. Some i think even use fake ref. You could go there for american rates in EU, but they're intelligent, they rent their fleet only to those having done their license with them. Few will rent out to you unless you lose time by doing an FI rating with them.

I heard when times are bad then they start welcoming the Turks happily again, these guys are their escape goats. Again shows you their way of doing business.

Now understand this is my experience which might differ for you with them, its an individual thing. But PPRuNE is here for we aviators to share our experience and i will make sure to point it out.

Aviation is expensive and it takes us all a lot of passion to hand over our hard earned money to ATOs, but i hate doing business with poor mentality people. 'They only know how to take but never gives anything back' - Robert Kyosaki.

Regards,

Jason.

Hiya

Thanks again Jason for your advice, I believe you are absolutely spot on. I think it is the best to start it from scratch again in Spain. I do appreciate your help!

I didn't want to complete my training in E/EU, or anywhere else, because of I "came up with this idea" and tried to support my local airfield with my training fees. But the weather just didn't allow me to have a well planned training.

Even if, for the sake of argument, you've been simply unlucky in Hungary, I still believe, that there is no place in aviation for an instructor (or pilot), with that sort of attitude. I am not surprised, that he failed his interview with Wizzair. It seems Wizzair's implemented a very efficient filtering technique ;)
I hope the school in Spain run by professionals and provide a quality training for my cash.

cheers

You can always support your local AD by H&F once you have your license. Wizzair tries to filter them all down, they go from zero to a fATPL in Europe for only €34k, once they have the jet hours most ditch you for western salaries where locals are paying €150k for the same license.

Europe's biggest enemy is Europe itself.

I won't promote Spain, but in this business can only wish you good luck.

Jason.

Hi,

I tried to enter in contact with them in January this year, but I didn't have any answer from my mail, but I wasn't the only one, is it possible to enter in contact with them now?
I really want to do my training there but it's impossible to have all the informations I want without contact.

Hiya

Yep, they were kind and very responsive. Sent over patiently all the informations I asked for.
How did you try to contact them?

They can be fully booked up in advance for months and that might delay things...

Good luck and I am sure they'll get back to you in a day or two.

Have you tried: [email protected]?
That was the email for the Admin person 4 or so years ago when I trained there.
I have the following contact numbers also:
office: +34 956 953741
mobile: +34 677 038059
fax: +34 956 185712

Thank you guys for the answers. I tried again, but not with a Gmail adress this time, I imagine that this one was considered like a spam or ... I don't know

For those who were there, how bumpy is the sky in Jerez? Is it quiete and smooth?

Usual thing in high temps - bumpy at lower altitudes and smoother at higher. Tend to spend a lot of time high as the sky is clear - unlike UK!

Thank you :)

It's good to know, I was used to fly in Belgium, where I never go higher than 2500 ft and it is bumpy all way around, I'm looking in Spain to have a smoother air because I was too quickly air sick here and it was hard to stay motivated when all my flight (around 15) were impossible to enjoy because I was all the time thinking about getting sick

Does that drug have any side-effects which are undesirable for the Pilot Flying?

PPL Fly in Spain (Jerez)
 

Hello everyone.

Hope you are doing well.

I would like to know if some of you have done their PPL training over there. I would love to get your feedbacks.
What did you think of the quality of the training/instructors, the cost of it, how long did it take you?

thanks a lot.

PPL FLY IN SPAIN
 

Did my EASA CPL with them, very happy...

Email - and yes, was a little sporadic in advance. Once there, though, all good.

Please don't expect Harvard, budgets are always tight (wherever you go).

That happen to me too! 5 mails 10 call to get a short reply, Im doing distance learning ATPL and ll be great if I can talk with my instructor. any other tips to do it?
Thanks!

I'm from Portugal and I'm also interested in knowing more about Fly In Spain Jerez but there is not that much online to trust. Is there anyone that is going to study there interested to contact me in order to share reliable info? I'm considering starting it after this Summer.

I've been emailing this school since last week and not had a reply either. Shame as it makes me want to look elsewhere.

The school only reopened from Christmas break and Spanish religious holiday last Wednesday. They are now working through over 1800 emails with inquiries just like yours. The problem with email and the always on internet world is people forget how to show a little patience..... Please feel free to drop me a PM and I will help you.

Hi, and thank you,

I know we are all impatient these days, but that's the whole point of email or I could just put a letter in the post. Although I wouldn't trust the Spanish post either!

I live and work in Spain and part of what I have to do is answer emails for a company. I answer emails 7 days a week from 8am until about 10.30pm at night, even on Christmas Day. I even answer emails when I am out of the country on holiday. If I cannot answer emails in detail then I am expected to send a quick reply acknowledging the email and saying I will get back to them as soon as I can. It's basic customer service.

I accept there are holidays here - Monday 6th of January was a holiday yes - but I work holidays. I also accept that people are fully entitled to have holidays off, and because of all this I will wait maybe two days, three if I'm in a good mood :D But when it becomes five days with no response, it doesn't look good.

If I am looking to spend €10k with a company (I don't know the exact price because I haven't had a reply - and that is all I wanted to know) then yes, I expect a quicker response.

I went to their FB page to try and contact them that way, or see if they had prices on there (I didn't see any), and I saw someone else complaining about a lack of response a year ago so things don't seem to have changed. Then on here I read the same kind of thing from others.

I hope they can reply to me soon because I would still like to do my PPL with them.

Do you know them, or fly / work with them?

I am the Head of Training. I don't deal with responses to emails for courses. However when I went into the admin staff on Wednesday and asked why they had not responded to my email about something I was shown the outstanding queue of emails that had come in over Christmas while the school was closed that stood at over 1200 unread messages.

Whilst I find your dedication to your work highly laudable and in fact even admirable, I and the school do not expect the admin staff to be so dedicated as you and neither does Spanish law permit us to expect that level of dedication. I have offered to personally intervene and assist you out of hours and outside MY job description. Please feel free to avail your self of that offer or wait for the school to respond. If that level of response does not suit you then I am happy to recommend other schools that may be able to respond faster.

Your budget is pretty much bang on for a PPL(A). Please free to PM me if you want to talk further.

Welcome to the world of private flying! My civil aviation administration now has an average queue of SEVEN weeks for a simple licence renewal - I do not mail them because it will only keep those poor understaffed people away from their real job, so I cannot say how long they take to respond. But both your expectations and your own claimed work intensity seem very excessive to me.

Most of all: do not even think of ever taking up learning to fly in such a hurried state of mind, you will only land yourself in the trees. The thing requires a relaxed approach.

I don't think expecting to get a response to a sales enquiry (from any company) within a week is unreasonable. If we kept our customers waiting that long they would likely book elsewhere (we do holiday lettings). My work intensity isn't excessive. I answer emails when they come in. I don't have thousands to deal with but the mailbox is monitored 7 days a week and keeping on top of things means they don't build up for us. Just our way of doing things.

Maybe for impatience you could read excitement and enthusiasm :)

This is not just my experience / opinion, as others have also had communication issues with them going back a year.

Anyway I have kindly taken up the head trainer's offer to PM him so maybe I can get some information that way.

ATPL residential
 

Hi,

Does anyone have any experience of ATPL residential training and/or CPL flight training at FIS?

Thanks!

I did my EASA FW CPL there...

Very happy...

Would you recommend over an integrated course? I’ve been emailing them back and forth and they told me they don’t offer integrated courses anymore.

The way our courses are structured is it allows you to set your own pace. We run them as an integrated flow but with greater flexibility and the ability to pay as you go per module. It is obviously significantly cheaper to do it this was as well. Its a more relaxed atmosphere without uniforms and airline type rostering for you training schedule. What you get at the end is the same CPL/ME/IR with ATPL exam pass but in a more flexible arrangement.

How long does it take on average to get a reply from them after an enquire? Are they officially operating these days?
And are their PA-28's IFR equipped?

The school officially reopened on Monday. The staff are now working through a massive backlog of inquiries so please bear with them. Its been a VERY long 3 months and there is a lot to do.

Thanks for your reply, I will be waiting.