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Light aircraft strikes two properties in Greater Manchester - two people reported injured

A plane has crashed into two houses in Greater Manchester, police have said.


Officers were called to Newlands Avenue, Peel Green, Salford, at about 12:20 BST following reports a plane had collided with several properties.
When they arrived at the houses, near Barton Aerodrome in Irlam, they discovered a light aircraft had come down and hit two properties.


It is understood two passengers who were in the aircraft are being treated for serious burns.
A cordon is in place.


The A57 Liverpool Road is closed after junction 11 of the M60.

This is less than 2 nm from Barton Airfield.

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A light aircraft has crashed into two houses close to Barton Airfield in Peel Green, Salford.

Early reports suggest that two people were onboard the plane and both suffered burns. One of them is seriously injured.

The light aircraft came down at about 12.20pm on Newlands Avenue which is just 300 metres from the edge of the airfield.

It is not known if the plane had just taken off or was heading in to land at the airfield.

Emergency services are currently at the scene and the road has been cordoned off.

Early reports suggest that two people were onboard the plane and both suffered burns. One of them is seriously injured.

There are no reports of any casualties in the houses.

Eyewitness Luke Taylor, 16, was in the living room of his house on nearby Southlands Avenue with mum Jayne and sister Jodie when they heard 'a massive bang'.

Luke said: "It was huge. We knew what it was with the airport being so close. It looks like it's gone up and come down again. The houses are in a mess - the top half has been demolished.

"They have taken people out of the houses and they look to be alright. Apparently the people who were on the plane are still there.

"The police and ambulances were there within a few minutes. There's a helicopter trying to land on the street. It doesn't look like anybody has been taken away yet."

The A57 is closed in both directions and diversions are in place.

A spokesman for GMP said: "Just after 12.20pm on 29 July, police were called to Newlands Avenue following reports a plane had come down onto houses.

"Officers attended and discovered a light aircraft had come down and collided with two properties.

"A cordon is in place and the other emergency services are also working at the scene.

"It is not known what injuries people have suffered at this stage."

There are two Newlands Avenue in Salford one M30 one M44 post code areas. Given that the A57 is closed between Junc 11 on the M60 motorway and the junction with Crossfield Road i believe the M30 post code are Newlands Avenue is the site of the crash - which is as per the MEN site about 300yds from Barton Airfield.


ps I see Sky have the wrong one on their site

Apparently the aircraft was a Piper Tomahawk...

I just got back from Barton.

I was finishing off an RT written test, when the aircraft crashed. An instructor came in and told us one of the local aircraft, a Tomahawk, had gone down in smoke near the runway. One of the 09 runways was in use.

We came out of the office, and you could see smoke coming up from the residential area east of the field. The smell was awful (wind blowing it towards us).

Definitely not a sight I'll be forgetting in a hurry...

The aircraft had suffered an engine failure after take off. Apparently, it was only a few hundred feet AGL when it attempted a left turn, probably stalling as a result.

It was chaos with the roads in the area, everything was cordoned off. As I use public transport, it was a nightmare getting home.

Holy Moly.

Hope the two crew will be ok. BBC reports burns in the regions of 60-70 Percent.

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Love how an anonymous remark on a forum turns into "A pilot who crashed into two houses may have been trying to land the stricken plane on a road after a catostrophic engine failure, experts say."

*sigh*

The media can be a bunch of morons.

I used to fly the Ravenair PA38's out of Barton about 5 years ago, hope the guys are ok! Having an engine failure off 09 is a night mare scenario as there are very few options for a forced landing. Anyone know what the reg was?

Looks like a Ravenair a/c. Lets hope they are both ok!

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Oh yeah, those double cockpit tomahawks. I wish I could get that modification on mine to stop me having to share the space with some of my students.

From the BBC website
"The BBC understands that the plane, being operated by Raven Air, was already on fire as it was taking off."

Well reading from the article if its 70% and 60% burns is true they are far from OK.

If they do recover its a long hard road to get thier quality of life back.

Some very conflicting reports on whether the aircraft was on fire before it went down, or if the fire was a result of the impact.

Hopefully the Air Ambulance got them to care quick enough to save them, 60-70% burns will be a long and difficult recovery.

I know a couple of Ravenair instructors at Barton.
Sad news indeed.

Ravenair - Aircraft Management, North West England, Liverpool Airport, City Airport Manchester (Barton Aerodrome)

IIRC, the aircraft involved was G-RVRM.

Taken from Ravenair's website

STATEMENT FROM RAVENAIR

Posted on: 29th July 2011

Ravenair regrets that an aircraft belonging to its training fleet was involved in an accident today (July 29) when operating from City Airport (Barton Aerodrome).

The PA-38 Tomahawk aircraft was being operated as a solo hire and there were two occupants on board. Both were taken to hospital by air ambulance.

Ravenair director Wayne Barrett said:

"Our primary concern is for the two people who were on board the aircraft, their family and friends, and those affected on the ground.

"We wish to express our gratitude and thanks to all of the emergency services as well as the general public who helped in the initial moments after the accident.

"At this stage it would be inappropriate to speculate about the cause of the accident."


Looks like there were no instructors on board so very unlikely that a student was flying. Media jumping to conclusions just because a 21-year old was on-board....NEHVER :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Thoughts are with the pilots...

Its always close to home when its an aircraft in your the log book...

I sincerely hope Ravenair woulnt be careless enough to let a cert of airworthiness lapse.

Let alone then let someone hire it out.

I've noticed that G-INFO isn't updated very quickly, it usually takes about a month, so I wouldn't read too much into this.

Thoughts with the pilots, hope they both make a full recovery. It always seems a bit closer to home when it's an aircraft you've flown in the past.

09 at Barton leaves few options.

Wythenshawe are relatively new with burns, but have a good reputation.

Hope that they are doing ok.:)

You have completly the wrong aircraft. It is not the one that is shown in Media Photos So please do not speculate and give the 'press' who read these articles new ideas. Thankyou.

Deadside

Well said...

Although let them print duff defamatory ill-informed rubbish....would be nice to see them get another kicking in the courts.

Ginge,

I had a GF who was a nurse at Wythy burns unit. In 1982 !

SGC

Could 've bin me mum Sir George. Have you got ginger hair.

How is sir Cayly going to take that one ? maybe you can get some backdated child maintenance

This is not the first time, and sadly probably not the last time, that I find myself commenting on ill informed press specualtion, so to help out any reporters hovering here trying to get a new "angle" on this story let me make it simple for you....
The pilot did not have to wrestle bravely with the controls
He did not narrowly avoid an orphanage/school/hospital etc
Light aircraft are NOT dangerous
As private pilots we are not trained in how to land on a rooftop for obvoius reasons !

For any you left please repect the fact that 2 guys are in hospital in a very serious state indeed, as the flying community our thoughts and prayers are with them and thier families at this time, and we wish them a speedy recovery. Please do not speculate about these things, let the proper investigation take place and comment on that, in the mean time leave those guys in particular, and general avaition (that is what little planes are called) alone!!!

Thank You

ONE thing we can speculate on is...why the hell hasn't the airfield been SAFEGUARDED? I'm reasonably sure that these houses, less than 1000ft from the runway, were not there whenn Barton was first opened.

If I am correct, and the poor occupants do not pull through, then those in the planning department should be culpable. Time and again I see planning permission granted for housing developments close to arfields - this is why SAFEGUARDING was invented; for the safety of all.

Drunken rant over...

LJ

I suspect it's not any of their business. A planning application must be granted unless there is a good reason in planning law to refuse, and a planning officer saying "well, I don't really know anything about aeroplanes, but isn't that a bit close to an airport?" is not, I'm afraid, going to survive appeal or judicial review.

Any "safeguarding" process (yes, I've seen some such maps, but only in relation to CAT, not SEP GA) must surely be the responsibility of aviation professionals, not town planners?

Planning departments have paid lip service to this for way too long, in my opinion. I would love to see this accident act as precedent to a toughening of safeguarding legislation - after all there is plenty of other space left in the UK to build on. Building near airports is easy for developers as normally it is only the airfield that objects!

LJ

Just been informed that one of the pilots has died. The airfield is closed for the day.

R.I.P

But the text you quote say that it was the CAA's job and they've devolved it to airfields, so not the planning department. This makes sense, as only an aviation professional can have a clue what's needed.

I am however checking with my head of planning (I'm the portfolio holder) re our local airport.

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Dreadful news .... really strikes home

So the airfield/port is responsible for safeguarding.
Here's how I interpret this ...

• The airfield has the job of doing it
• The airfield is responsible if it's not done effectively

So, in a practical world,

• What power does the airfield have to implement its safeguarding plans?
• How does this compare with the power of an individual to appeal against the airfield's safeguarding plans?
• What responsibility does the local authority planning department have to support the airfield's safeguarding plans?

I suspect everyone above will give the same answer - "er ... never thought of that one ..."
In the event of an accident where safeguarding is an issue, does the airfield carry the can despite having their hands tied behind their back?

SD

Talk about safe guarding around established airfields who already have housing around them is going to be a spectacular own goal to GA airfields.

Realisatically to get the safe guarding back would mean the removal of several hundreds of millions worth of housing stock which there isn't enough of anyway.

It doesn't matter that the airfield was there first if the point is argued and the nimbys get hold of it that its unsafe having singles operating with out safe guarding you will be stuffed. The airfields will be deemed pref A airfields only and that will mean they will be shut for GA users. And then quite quickly afterwards be shut as uneconomic.

What does a "single" have to do with this?

The stats suggest that most twin piston pilots are flying hardware with poor SE performance and are nowhere near current enough to implement the required very critical procedure with the required haste, and will still crash if they get a total engine stoppage on takeoff.

Thankfully this kind of accident is extremely rare. If it were otherwise, perhaps 50% of GA airfields in Europe would close immediately, with Gertrude's one being one of the first.

Exactly which is why I said Perf A ie known performance on a EFTO.

And that the issue that most GA airports arn't safeguarded, if there is a fuss kicked up about this fact there is only going to be one outcome and it isn't that houses will be demolished

Good example of why we should type posts with caution
 

Quote from Manchester news paper:The quote is from the post of stewmath, post #3 on this thread,

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