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fisbangwollop 17th Apr 2010 15:00

GBHZO....[QUOTE]Fisbangwallop... what is the GA picture looking like so far today?[/QUOTE

Just done a morning shift, not too busy after yesterdays full on day, that said the weather not as good here in Scotland as yessterday....looking at the UK radar picture the south of England once again stuffed full of 7000 sqk's....:cool::cool::cool: Also nice to see 2 BA 747's in Prestwick this morning, New york-London via Prestwick and 7 hour coach journey :eek::eek:

Shunter 17th Apr 2010 15:02

Been up this afternoon. Lots of GA traffic out and about in Yorks/Lincs.

Katamarino 17th Apr 2010 15:07

Depressing to see so many other countries flying GA as normal when we're stuck on the ground thanks to incompetent bureaucrats :(

G-BHZO 17th Apr 2010 15:09

Thanks FIS.... hope to speak to you on the way to Oban tomorrow.

fisbangwollop 17th Apr 2010 16:51

ZO.....Will be there awaiting your call in the morning then entertaining some Leading Edge folk in the afternoon......they picked a good day to visit...not!!!!!:cool::cool::cool:

Sam Rutherford 17th Apr 2010 16:52

Just flown a beautiful Meribel-La Cote (between Lausanne and Geneva).

Hoping to head for Belgium tomorrow - we'll see!

Sam.

GearDownFlaps 17th Apr 2010 17:30

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2614872_n.jpg
Well Im loving the view , ash is quite nice:ok:

Tupperware Pilot 17th Apr 2010 18:02

Been a great day. The controllers at both Stansted and Luton very helpful and let us fly over the airfields and do a few orbits to take some photos!
Free Airspace.. - a set on Flickr

Stansted was very busy.......! Lots of GA wanting to fly over the airfield! I'm sure we heard one guy ask for a low flyby at Luton and was given the OK!

Photos: Airbus A320-... Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Now updated to include photos of Birmingham.
Photos: Boeing 757-... Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

wrecker 17th Apr 2010 18:26

SVFR clearances
 
I was wondering why during the current grounding of IFR flights, Gatwick are happy to offer SVFR clearances through their Class A airspace and Heathrow are'nt. Perpaps we should have a "temporary Reclassification of the London Tma to Class G! Afert all Nats is very happy to upgrade Class G to Class A for " purple" events!

Roadrunner Once 17th Apr 2010 18:33

Gatwick has a class D zone, not class A, hence VFR is allowed.

As for CAS-T (not 'Purple' these days) for royal flights, I think (but stand to be corrected) that that is a matter for the MoD and the CAA, not NATS.

mad_jock 17th Apr 2010 19:34

Apparently there have been reports of free fall meat bombs saying that they have been having stinging lips/exposed skin while freefalling in these 30k plus conditions.

drambuster 17th Apr 2010 20:37

No VFR in France?
 

Roofy: See the French have closed all their airspace and their airfields as a result of , you guessed it, Volcanic Ash!!!
No GA in France, no open airfields!
Does anyone know if this is definitely the case? Roofy, can you let me know where you picked up this information?

Thanks
Drambuster

x933 17th Apr 2010 20:39

I've been at a busy aero club in north london that has a bush in it's name, the last aircraft out today got a fly through at Luton not above 500ft (not me, but not heard in a bar either). Some fun to be had if so inclined :ok:

The Dead Side 17th Apr 2010 21:07

Thanks chaps at GW, great service provided today :-D

roofy 17th Apr 2010 21:18

French VFR
 
Drambuster

Was closed as per the Notams for ALL flying including VFR. All French fields north of 48 north were ordered to close at around 1200 hrs Friday. Good news is now all open for VFR, normal over reaction. French are (to justify earlier decision) giving warning to exercise care and remind you the risk to your motor is yours!
Noted lot of activity on the various airfield web cams today no sign of ash but did see one guy smoking outside the terminal at LFAT :-)

Katamarino 17th Apr 2010 22:53

Holland is STILL shut down to everything without an engine; are we now the only country with a blanket ban on GA?

AEST 17th Apr 2010 23:59


Holland is STILL shut down to everything without an engine; are we now the only country with a blanket ban on GA?
I hear you can take a glider up if you install a mode S transpoder :O

corsair 18th Apr 2010 00:20

I flew in an out of the ash layer several times today. It's only visible when you are level with it. But when you're in it you can smell it. So unless you can smell it's likely you're not in it. Also it had zero impact on the aircraft despite several climbs and descent through the layer which was quite thin where I was.

So for light aircraft no need to panic. Unless you plan to fly for an extended period in the ash layer. The stink alone will drive you out of it anyway. On the other hand I would tend to avoid any ash layer you could see from above or below. That might be nasty.

It flies 18th Apr 2010 05:26

Dutch airspace still closed until at least 14:00 on sunday.

IO540 18th Apr 2010 07:54

I think this whole situation is being handled in an incredibly inept manner.

Some airlines are going to go bust pretty soon. Cargo is rotting in warehouses... Stranded passengers are going to make huge claims on their insurances.

Nobody seems to be collecting data on where the stuff is and what (if anything) it does to engines. The Met Office quite obviously hasn't got a clue. The CAAs are totally lawyer-bound. And there isn't anybody else.

Somebody is going to have to get a lot more realistic pretty soon... but that's not the "European way" of doing things.

Eventually, airlines will collect some data and threaten legal action against the regulators. Then things will change fast.


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