Genghis, exactly who was the ultimate decision maker for the UK ?
We had so many cooks and media whores thrust in our faces it was hard to distinguish who was doing what and what responsibility they had. Was it NATS/CAA/Met Off/Transport Ministry. I guess you're going to say all of them........to some degree, arn't you !! |
Im very happy with myself. Got 2 touch and go's in a Robin on Tuesday into DUB. A few others were also doing the same, taking advantage of the closed airspace. Approach were nice and accommodating.
I made a little video of it. Irish airspace OPEN to 98 Presenter | Dublin's 98: Thunders, Live Music Radio, Entertainment, News, Concerts, Events, Gigs & Competitions. |
Hi Genghis, Do you not find it slightly odd that all the talking and meetings managed to come to a conclusion just as Willies finest were calling for landing? followed by adonis commenting that hindsight revealed probable overreactions.
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I think that the ultimate decision was probably made by the head of SRG, on advice from her Head of Airworthiness, but dependent upon the right volcano forecasts from Met Office, confirmed by similar forecast outputs from Universities and the US.
Since all the main airlines were dialled into the decision process, they'll have known of the decision a few hours before it was made official. G |
I could believe that Genghis, except that both Lady Aphrodite and wee Willie (or maybe we should call him Big Balled Willie now) were visibly stressed and shaken when they were interviewed by the press directly after the meeting, not something which indicates a peaceful meeting according to a pre-notified plan...
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Well anyone who does real risk assessment would quickly work out that several hundred body bags is actually a good return for wasting £1.7B from the airlines and almost certainly that much again from the general population. I have to say I am torn with this ash issue. I was "stranded" for a few days, both as pilot and a passenger. On the one hand we have the "we don't know, but we reckon that ICAO say no so no flying", on the other we have the "Russian Roulette" approach to safety management. Both are equally inappropriate in this day and age. Sadly it seems that other parts of the world have a sensible solution to this, whereas Europe has stuck it's head in the bureaucratic sand. Airline and Air Operators do have sway with the regulators and many initiatives that make offshore helicopter flying safer have been made by the helicopter operators. Regulators write the rules, operators have to either work around them or prove that there is a better way. It seems that airlines have missed a trick here and not got involved with the threats posed by volcanoes and more particularly the bureaucracy surrounding them. We as passengers will end up paying for this in increased fares and increased airspace charges for pilots. |
Originally Posted by Droopystop
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I have to say I am torn with this ash issue. I was "stranded" for a few days, both as pilot and a passenger. On the one hand we have the "we don't know, but we reckon that ICAO say no so no flying", on the other we have the "Russian Roulette" approach to safety management. Both are equally inappropriate in this day and age.
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So it seems a more sensible approach would have been to require operations clear of cloud and during daylight. This would have caused some disruption but not anything like the closure of the airspace for 6 days. I have still not found any ash on my air filter, or anywhere else. |
While sat in the US, one thing that did occur to me was if I was home and flying in my PA28, would Heathrow let you do a low approach and go around during the airspace closure? A mate of mine thought Gatwick let some light planes do this. Any similar stories on some interesting flying I have missed? Some pictures I was sent which were taken last Saturday when a balbo of 13 aircraft from the Tiger Club visited LGW. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../GAT2315UK.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...LBO498UK-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...BALBO525UK.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...BALBO532UK.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../GAT2276UK.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../GAT2390UK.jpg Good to see ACDC still going strong - 77th birthday earlier this year. And AWEF will be 63 this year. My favourite of the Stampes - many happy hours doing aeros in her. It seems the old fun spirit of the Tiger Club lives on. :ok: |
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