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BackPacker 16th Apr 2010 07:14


In fact the flight safety risk is probably lower due to the lack of other air traffic.
Plus there's more airspace available to us, plus there's more controllers available to watch over us. Traffic Service for everyone!:ok:

stickandrudderman 16th Apr 2010 07:41

He should probably have just done it. Everyone's bound to have their feet on the desk and either zzzzing or reading or picking their nose......:}
In fact, now's the time for a low level pass under Tower Bridge!!

fisbangwollop 16th Apr 2010 07:54

Xray....hi thanks for that that would make sense.

take care

FBW :cool::cool::cool:

fisbangwollop 16th Apr 2010 07:58

Mad Jock ...

Proberly because i am a stroppytwat
Is that why they posted you to the desert?? :ok: Your comment could not be further from the truth, your a kind understanding pilot that us airtraffikers love to have to deal with....take care and keep the sand out of your sandals!!:cool::cool::cool:

Fright Level 16th Apr 2010 08:08

Cessna 172 asking for a cross country clearance via the Heathrow overhead at 1500 feet!

Was going to go up and ask for one of those myself today until I saw this thread. I'd planned a low approach and go around along the runway. Why not, perfect opportunity and keep those LHR tower people busy but clearly some jobsworth says no.

javelin 16th Apr 2010 08:13

Isn't it nice to see that one strange result of this event is that lots of light aeroplanes are out flying, doing unusual things and above all, communicating with airfields and requesting clearances without the threat or worry of infringement or mixing with busy traffic :ok:

I should be in Florida at Sun n Fun but am still at home, waiting for the non existent communication from our beloved company :ugh:

Get out there and fly - while you still can :E

S-Works 16th Apr 2010 08:26

Well I risked life and limb flying a rag and tube aircraft in this terrible aviation disaster. I was constantly checking to see if my windscreen was being sandblasted but I could not see through the scratches to be sure so I figured as this stuff was so abrasive it was probably going to vaporise the fabric on contact so chose to keep an eye on the wings through the open window. I am pleased to say the the aircraft is still as dirty as ever, non of the flies stuck to it were even disturbed and I am here to fight another day.

All I could see was blue Sky and at the end a pleasant sunset.

I will report back again in an hour so on this mornings flight.

LowNSlow 16th Apr 2010 08:33

I'll be following Bose's example on Saturday and go and do some Austering. I'm particularly looking forward to asking for an East-West (runway direction) transit across my local international airport!

PS I wiped the bugs off Annie the Auster's wings and it increased the cruise speed by approximately 0.0000001 mph, a useful gain as I'm sure you'll agree. :ok:

Mariner9 16th Apr 2010 08:46

That's about a 10% increase then LNS ;)

No flying for me this weekend, but only due to the fact that I'll be on an Adventure Training weekend in Snowdonia with the air cadets.

LowNSlow 16th Apr 2010 09:36

It was like lighting the afterburners :eek:

VMC-on-top 16th Apr 2010 09:50

Speaking of an over reaction, take a look at this....

www.flightradar24.com

It seems that not only the UK is closed but also France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and (more obviously) all of Scandinavia!!

Is this really necessary?

S-Works 16th Apr 2010 10:06

It's just emissions trading!! The Volcano has popped 100 years of aviation pollution into the atmosphere and it has to be traded off somehow.

I look forward to the golden days of steam, airships and sail.

It flies 16th Apr 2010 11:59


Is this really necessary?
The flightradar link doesn't work. Maybe the radar got swamped by ash deposits. Apparently the Dutch Aviation Authority wanted to be really safe, so they closed down the whole airspace. So not even any VFR traffic at all until at least 6:00 on saturday morning.

Looking outside, it's a lovely day...

VMC-on-top 16th Apr 2010 12:59

Might just be that that site is busy - the link works fine for me. I would post up a screen print of the page but can't seem to do that?

Katamarino 16th Apr 2010 13:17

eharding, I love the Blade Runner quote; thats exactly what I was thinking when I read the steely-eyed super-pilot referring to these incredible things that we couldn't even imagine :ok:

I intend to fly tomorrow, and assuming Schipol is still closed to the airlines, we'll be trying for a fly-by or even a touch-and-go!

SNS3Guppy 16th Apr 2010 14:15


Is this really necessary?
Yes, it is.

fisbangwollop 16th Apr 2010 14:23

Once again a cracking flying day here in Scotland......a very busy shift so far for me at Scottish Information....every man and his cat and dog now seem to be flying VFR of course!! .....just had a peek at the uk radar picture and the whole screen is covered in 7000 codes down south!!! :cool::cool:

IO540 16th Apr 2010 15:01

It's bollox - at least at FL055 where I flew ~ 400nm today, or below. Vis is mostly unlimited, and there is no way for "dust" to be around with that kind of vis.

Higher up, possibly. I was just above the tops (below cloud it was rough as hell, as usual on a warm day) and there were some quite dark layers at maybe FL100 plus.

Apparently Farnborough were ordered to offer a BS only. Probably to stop exec jets operating VFR, contravening their company manual to always have a radar service when OCAS ;)

Crash one 16th Apr 2010 15:03

Just back from risking life & limb flying over east Fife in beautiful sunshine.
A bit hazy higher up but the windscreen is still transparent, all the paint & flies still stuck to the a/c. We must have been incredibly lucky to have survived such horrendous meteorological conditions.:ugh:

liam548 16th Apr 2010 15:30


Originally Posted by Pudnucker (Post 5636706)
Quote: Cessna 172 asking for a cross country clearance via the Heathrow overhead at 1500 feet!


Love it... good boy :ok:


That would be a great experience, I like this video that I found a couple of years ago on youtube-



YouTube - 5 Airports 1 Flight

Andy H 16th Apr 2010 15:37

Have to say that flying round Wiltshire / Hampshire at 2000ft this morning was a great experience. Lots of GA and microlights, but no big boys. And NO mode S either!
Andy

150commuter 16th Apr 2010 16:33

plenty of GA - not mentioned by the media
 
I'm rather surprised that there's apparently been no coverage of the aircraft that are flying. I used to work on BBC regional news and if I were there now I'd have had a crew and reporter at Popham like a shot to do the "but some aircraft are still flying in Britain" angle and we'd have got it onto national news. They all seem mesmerised by the "Britain's airspace is closed" line.

If you've been flying today (I haven't) it might be worth giving
the local radio station a bell - good promotion for private flying just tell them how safe it is with no ash at low altitude etc.

liam548 16th Apr 2010 17:09


Originally Posted by 150commuter (Post 5638312)
I'm rather surprised that there's apparently been no coverage of the aircraft that are flying. I used to work on BBC regional news and if I were there now I'd have had a crew and reporter at Popham like a shot to do the "but some aircraft are still flying in Britain" angle and we'd have got it onto national news. They all seem mesmerised by the "Britain's airspace is closed" line.

If you've been flying today (I haven't) it might be worth giving
the local radio station a bell - good promotion for private flying just tell them how safe it is with no ash at low altitude etc.


BBC news has just commented on Newquay having normal operations to the Scillys "because they fly at around 1500ft".

HeathrowAirport 16th Apr 2010 18:00

Heathrow must be loosing Million's or even billion's.

Come to think of it so is every other company involved, BAA should have organized last night a VFR fly in £20-30 landing fee, £10-15 a touch and go for Heathrow. The amount of traffic they would have got would probably utilise both runway's.

Saying that would traffic have a limit of coming in due to ANO rule 5?

Such as if on 27's having a short final and starting base .5 of a mile out to avoid Hounslow.

They would have made something at least.

roofy 16th Apr 2010 18:12

Surprise suprise
 
See the French have closed all their airspace and their airfields as a result of , you guessed it, Volcanic Ash!!!
No GA in France, no open airfields! France joins our Nats or is Nuts

x933 16th Apr 2010 19:10

Fright Level: Glad i'm not the only one that thought of that, just forgot to pick up my headset before I left for work. Ho hum, there's always tomorrow :E

Maoraigh1 16th Apr 2010 21:03

http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/04/16/iceland-eruption-could-trigger-more
Looks like this problem may keep repeating.

Does anyone have experience of the effectiveness of aircraft air filters against this stuff? The O-200 filter seems to have a much smaller surface area than a car engine of similar size. Also, of course, a different type of filter.
This is of academic interest to me at present, as our O-200 is having a top overhaul.

From USGS advice re volcanic ash. (For cars etc)
“The most effective method to prevent ash-induced damage to machinery is to shut down, close off or seal equipment until ash is removed from the immediate environment”

“Change oil and oil filters frequently (every 50-100 miles in heavy dust; every 500-1000 miles in light dust).
Do not drive without an air filter. If you can not change it, clean it by blowing air from the inside out. Do not change it until you notice a loss of power to the engine as a dirty filter is more effective than a clean one.”

Katamarino 16th Apr 2010 21:28

The Dutch have just closed airspace down to all VFR and IFR Civil flights until at least 8am on the 17th. Looks like the CAA here have joined the ranks of the other morons.

liam548 16th Apr 2010 21:48

Lets hope the UK dont stop VFR flights, some cracking WX recently and coming up...

Lighttown 16th Apr 2010 21:50

Went flying yesterday and !!!
 
On the return leg at around 4:30 asked Farnborough if we could do an ILS. Answer: "sorry we cannot Radar vector you cause CAA forbids us to us the Radar as it might give defective data" . So we said OK we will self position for the localiser, Answer, "I will need Authoriastion to accept you as this is normally a busy period " !!! a few minutes wait Answer "Sorry I can't get authorisation as the he who authorises is not here"

Likely gone home as there was nothing happening !!!

Today heard of a TB10 who asked Heathrow Approach (yes there was someone there) for an ILS, Answer "sorry you need an IR to do that", TB10 can we have a SVFR and self position ? NO and if we did allow it would be £400 landing fee !! Bascically go away little boy..

A one off (we hope) chance for some interesting experiences and RULES and JOBs WORTH get in the way .
:*

x933 16th Apr 2010 22:07

EGLF had 3, possibly 4 movements today. So your diagnosis (he/she'd gone home) is probably correct...

Roffa 16th Apr 2010 22:10

Lighttown,


A one off (we hope) chance for some interesting experiences and RULES and JOBs WORTH get in the way .
Utter rubbish.

Whilst I of course do not doubt the veracity of the above reported overheard TB10 conversation, leaving aside the issue of currently being unable to offer IFR (or apparently SVFR) clearances, take note of the following NOTAM regarding EGLL...

Q) EGTT/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5129N00028W005
B) FROM: 10/04/16 20:26C) TO: 10/04/17 12:00
E) IN LINE WITH CURRENT UK AIRSPACE RESTRICTIONS AD IS CLOSED

... and which is likely to be reissued as long as the effective airspace closures are in effect.

EGLL ATC procedures do not allow them to position traffic to a closed runway, which the runway surely is when the airfield is closed.

So, airspace clearance issues and the airfield itself is NOTAMed closed, maybe it's time to stop the pie in the sky let's go do touch and gos at Heathrow posts here and elsewhere.

HeathrowAirport 16th Apr 2010 22:12

^^ Lool - Did they really say that on frequency. (Heathrow Director)

Oldpilot55 16th Apr 2010 22:13

I love it! All these demented SEP pilots (myself included) desperate to visit their favourite excluded airfield and a very senior jobsworth scouring the rule book to ensure that his underworked lakies are kept underworked.

150commuter 16th Apr 2010 22:18

I noticed that several regional airports including Southampton and Norwich were NOTAMd closed and their ATZs were also closed. Doesn't that mean we can fly VFR over them as much as we like or have I missed something?

Deeday 16th Apr 2010 23:08

Report from the Do 228 research plane: "A lot of muck up there"
 
Informal report from the engineer on board the Do 228 research aircraft, just after landing at Cranfield (from the BBC):

"Heavy gritty stuff that seems to be sitting up around 8000 ft."
"Sulphurous chemicals sat somewhere around about 6500 ft [...] and at lower level, a lot of very fine stuff".

liam548 17th Apr 2010 02:56

"Satellite imagery is showing a plume currently between 20 and 35 thousand feet over the near continent and extending westwards into southern UK and the English Channel. Evidence of thin plumes of volcanic ash were detected last night and during today across the UK, mainly at around six thousand feet. Also, there have been unconfirmed reports of slight ash deposits in places. With continuing eruptions from the volcano, we will continue to monitor the situation overnight. Issued at 1828 on Fri 16 Apr 2010. "

from the met office.

6000 feet, getting closer to ground level then!...

Katamarino 17th Apr 2010 05:27

Dutch airspace now closed to all traffic until at least 1400. Apparently, Dutch GA is somehow special and would fall from the sky whereas UK GA can continue to fly unaffected...

It flies 17th Apr 2010 06:04


Dutch GA is somehow special and would fall from the sky whereas UK GA can continue to fly unaffected...
Yes, this will prevent many a glider from having an engine failure today...

Follow the deadly ash cloud here:
Eruption of Eyjafjallajökull Volcano, Iceland : Natural Hazards

Even better, watch it live here:
Eyjafjallajökull frá Hvolsvelli

Just add two days and you'll know if your flight wil be cancelled. :ok:

mad_jock 17th Apr 2010 07:45

The Cranfield research aircraft found 3 layers of ash below 10k.

Anyone who has been up flying during this period of GA heaven had a look at the air filter to see what it has picked up. Also if anyone is rich enough maybe a soap sample might not go amiss either.


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