Also true, but Article 225 permission easily obtained. Applied to DfT for renewal of our permit by fax at 16.00 on Feb 18 and received it by fax at 09.30 the following day. Nice to be able to compliment a regulator on being efficient!

DLT, thanks for the info. Could you possibly give me details of who to contact please? Our aeroplane is going onto the N reg and the co-owner will be doing his IR in it. While the FAA CFII is a friend of mine and would do it for free (the flight portion anyway ;)) it wouldbe nice to have proper permission from the Dft to cover all bases....

Cheers

Yes, the DfT are very good with this. And it's free.

There are limits - from memory you have to be an owner or one of a max 4 owners, or (if ltd co owned) one of a max 4 Directors. But I have known of approvals being granted for more remote scenarios. For training purposes only, this is...

DfT Minster House

These permits were ignored (and unenforced) before c. 2005 but since then they have seemingly been keeping tabs on the stuff.

Great, thanks :ok:

Here is the specific link. It refers to Article 140 ANO 2005 which is now Article 225 ANO 2009.
Aviation Permits - flying training using foreign registered aircraft in the UK

225. An aircraft registered in a Contracting State other than the United Kingdom, or in a foreign country, must not fly over the United Kingdom for the purpose of aerial photography or aerial survey (whether or not valuable consideration is given or promised for the flight or the purpose of the flight) or for the purpose of any other form of aerial work unless—
(a) it has the permission of the Secretary of State granted under this article to the operator or the charterer of the aircraft; and
(b) it complies with any conditions to which that permission may be subject.

Am I right that the wording has been substantially changed since Art 140? The effect is the same though, because "aerial work" is still there.

No, the meaning is unaltered with only minor wording changes to comply with the new Euro-legalese drafting standards.

Thanks for the links.....

So an Englishman in a foreign registered aircraft may not take photographs, but a foreigner in a UK registered aircraft may do so.

That's fine then.

Yes, it's quite funny :)

I don't know whether the emphasis on photography is a consequence of the supposedly extensive "abuse" of the aerial work rules by people taking commissioned aerial pics on a PPL*, or a a wish to implement some ICAO clauses which allow overflight but not photography.

AFAIK it is still illegal to overfly say Germany and take photos :)

*most of which will be in a G-reg anyway...

Someone told me it dates back a long time...to the war years.

Well, yes, I think Germany would have got a bit funny about it if you popped over during the war years and started taking photos :)

Ah yes, the oldies but goodies:

Hotel Receptionist: Have you visited Hamburg before?

Potential Guest: Yes, in 1940, but we didn't stop.

I think the "more established" form of that one is a BA pilot who lands at Berlin and gets lost taxiing, and is asked "have you never been here before"; he replies along the lines of "yes, 1942, but didn't land" :)