Which plane to buy..
HiHi,
Calling all the aeroplane experts....Which 4 seaters would match the following criterias : able to operate from 500 m grass strip lift 1,000lb with full IMC/autopilot equipment above 120kt cruise easy to maintain/insure engine can use 100LL or 96UL Thanks for your help... |
Originally Posted by grasspirate
(Post 3088681)
HiHi,
Calling all the aeroplane experts....Which 4 seaters would match the following criterias : able to operate from 500 m grass strip lift 1,000lb with full IMC/autopilot equipment above 120kt cruise easy to maintain/insure engine can use 100LL or 96UL Thanks for your help... |
Cessna 177. Great aeroplane but the insurance would depend on experience, as with any aircraft.
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Another vote for the 177. Bought one approximately 3 months ago. It's a genuine 4 seater with loads of room inside, and it will carry 4 adults on full fuel. A standard 172 and any sub-200bhp PA28 can't do that. Plus it looks great, has set-back wings and no struts so much better viz than 152/172. VP prop, but very easy to fly.
Comes in a choice of fixed gear or retractable, although the latter are more common. Fixed will give you a good 120kt, retract upto 150kt. Oh, and they only use around 35L/hr of avgas. Performance is excellent; under 300m to get airborne, so a 500m strip is more than adequate. Insurance was £2200 with no low-hours restrictions, although if your're loaded with hours you could probably shave £500 off that. |
Bose, is your Cessna legal running on mogas?
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There are loads that perform within your requirements. The Mogas is the only issue though as far as I know.
If it were me i'd go for a Cessna 180 or 185:) |
Originally Posted by IO540
(Post 3089151)
Bose, is your Cessna legal running on mogas?
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IO540, do you reside in the Yorkshire Moor's by any chance?
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A 4 seat Jodel (1050?) will do all that. If you slow down to 120kn it will burn very little fuel, and if you want to put skeys on it and visit some of the more challenging strips in the Alps, no problem.
Rod1 |
A 182 ticks all those boxes. My (N reg) 182 is certified for mogas, by virtue of a modification. Never tried it though.
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Or, a Yak 18T?
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Hello,
Cessna 177 is an excellent, roomy airplane, but much better if you aren't the person paying to fix it! If it's an RG, the landing gear is really cool, but fussy, and expensive to maintain. Though it seems to work the same way as the 172 and 182 RG, there are many differences which make it less desirable. Also consider the cost of fixing minor damage, it's not common plane, and getting old. Many airframe parts for the 177 are getting very hard to find as replacements. Insurance companies know this, and will price hull insurance accordingly. The more common the type of aircraft, the more available, and thus more economical, the replacement parts. The 177 could be operated from 500m by a pilot with experience on type, and favourable conditions , but planning this type of operation as a new venture may be expecting too much, particularly with passengers. A STOL kit, and really good training from an instructor very familiar with the 177 and STOL kit flying would be a benefit. A Cessna 182 would be a better choice than the 177 if this load out of this runway length is important. 172XP is a great plane, and reasonable cost to maintain, other than the TCM IO-360 engine, which can incur some expensive repairs over time. The Cessna 180/185 would be an excellent choice for these requirements, but more pilot skill requirements, and higher insurance costs will be involved. The Piper Cherokee 235 (Dakota) would be suitable, other than it may not leave you feeling relaxed in a 500m runway. Straight tail Arrow is also a great plane, but avoid the "T" tail versions into short runways. You could also consider the Found FBA-2C series of aircraft, they would meet all of these requirements, with the exception Mogas, and possibly autopilot. 120kts cruise speed is going to cost you quite a bit more. Do you really want to pay half again the cost for that added 10-15 kts? Cheers, Pilot DAR |
Originally Posted by Rod1
(Post 3089973)
A 4 seat Jodel (1050?) will do all that. If you slow down to 120kn it will burn very little fuel, and if you want to put skeys on it and visit some of the more challenging strips in the Alps, no problem.
Rod1 |
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and there's a nice DR400 for sale here >>> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...n-85631731.htm |
Jet Ranger!
130kn cruise, 5 or 6 pax, operate from a 50 meter strip! Runs on Jet A1 or whatever you want to call it at half the price of mogas, or just ordinary petrol as most people know it! Maintenance is a bit more of a grey area. But as IO540 says, a new piece of kit wont cost half as much as a decrepit old banger will, so it wont be too much if you keep it all upto date. Plus you get to up your street cred by having a chopper to play with:) Should impress the girleys!
I'm sorry, but did you mention budget? Well £150k should get you a working example i think! |
Sorry to burst your bubble, stray10level, but I must correct a few of your details:
Originally Posted by stray10level
(Post 3090144)
130kn cruise, 5 or 6 pax,
Originally Posted by stray10level
(Post 3090144)
operate from a 50 meter strip!
Originally Posted by stray10level
(Post 3090144)
Runs on Jet A1 or whatever you want to call it at half the price of mogas, or just ordinary petrol as most people know it!
Originally Posted by stray10level
(Post 3090144)
Maintenance is a bit more of a grey area. But as IO540 says, a new piece of kit wont cost half as much as a decrepit old banger will, so it wont be too much if you keep it all upto date.
Originally Posted by stray10level
(Post 3090144)
Plus you get to up your street cred by having a chopper to play with:) Should impress the girleys!
Originally Posted by stray10level
(Post 3090144)
I'm sorry, but did you mention budget? Well £150k should get you a working example i think!
But I do like your thinking! :D:D:D:ok: PS I thought that this was a plane...: http://www.abbeypowertools.co.uk/web...LL56628_p4.jpg :E Sorry, someone had to say it! I know; hat, coat, door etc... |
No, this is a proper plane:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/...Plane_1001.gif |
(I find an electric sander much more handy than a plane. :) )
Would a PA28-180 cut the mustard possibly? |
The Jodel 1050 fails on payload and speed, nice little machine though it is. The DR250 however ticks all the boxes. Payload about 400kg, but you get away with less fuel on an O-320 burning 27-30 l/hr at 120 knots.
DR400-180 and D140 Mousquetaire from the same stable are worthy contenders too. The D140 maybe a little slower, but will lift a massive payload. If you,ve got a workshop and some time to spare, howabout building an RV-10 and really go places? |
Doesn't a Robin (most of them being wood) need good hangarage?
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