englishal, i need stuff spelled out to me or "spelt" out to me.

Oh and I sprout rubbish do I? I don't "spout" it.

rest my case!

spell (FORM WORDS)
verb [I or T] spelled or UK AND AUSTRALIAN ENGLISH ALSO spelt, spelled or UK AND AUSTRALIAN ENGLISH ALSO spelt
to form a word or words with the letters in the correct order

sprout
verb
1 [I or T] to produce leaves, hair and other new developing parts, or (of leaves, hair and other developing parts) to begin to grow

I rest my case.

:O I grow rubbish then?

;) I am just in a bad mood today as I have a sore throat and blocked ears and can't fly :{

sorry if i wasnt clear

Now Now children , stop playing and fight nicely

I've lost the plot here but... in the UK

P1 or PIC - In command whether solo or with passengers who may or may not be instructors. My instructor quite often likes to fly with me so he can take some photographs! I log that as P1

P1u/s or PICUS - under supervision. Used for taking skills test etc and still counts as PIC time but where the instructor has his instructor's hat on

Pu/t - under training - dual with instructor.

So, windy1 ICUS = PICUS or P1u/s to us!!

Cheers

Whirls

"P1 or PIC - In command whether solo or with passengers who may or may not be instructors. My instructor quite often likes to fly with me so he can take some photographs! I log that as P1"...........correct

P1u/s or PICUS - under supervision. Used for taking skills test etc and still counts as PIC time but where the instructor has his instructor's hat on...........correct but am pretty sure the skills test has to be JAR.

Pu/t - under training - dual with instructor.....Correct

So, windy1 ICUS = PICUS or P1u/s to us!!.....incorrect. to me ICUS is PUT, unless it was a successful JAR skills test.

correct me if i'm wrong....again:O

Hour builder, I think you're only partly correct!

I forgot (mea culpa) to add that the skills test has to be succesful otherwise it is Pu/t. Most skills tests are successful otherwise the applicant wouldn't have been put up for it in the first place so you haven't really added much to my point that Pilot In Command Under Supervision is still P1 time, not dual.

If a skills test has been failed it is logged as Pu/t; if it was passed it is logged as P1u/s (or PICUS), therefore, PICUS is never Pu/t!


Cheers

Whirls

I've always logged the night part in the 'Night' column and the remainder in the 'Day', so from the previous example, 0:30 and 0:30 in each like this .

More of a conundrum to me has always been 'when does night start when en-route?' At sunset+30 at the point of departure? sunset +30 and the destination? We all know the illusion that altitude delays the sun setting, so should it be sunset (+30?) at the cruise altitude (and how do you calculate this?) or at some other altitude? In theory it would be possible to take off in daylight, fly into darkness, climb back into daylight to continue back into darkness again. So many options, and so far I have more or less taken the mean of the departure & destination +30, but would appreciate if anyone can state the definitive rule

Easy, when the sun is 12½ arc minutes below the horizon (I think). Same for sunrise :D

So theoretically you could be illegally logging if you are at 30,000' and log "night" as the same time as night starts on the ground. I should imagine it's a £30,000 fine, confiscation of the aircraft, and banned from flying for life ;)

Actually, a "guestimate" is good enough for me.