Continuing PPL in other JAR country
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Continuing PPL in other JAR country
Looking for some help: I've almost finished my PPL in the UK, however I'm shortly to move to Germany for 6 months or so...if I don't manage to complete it in the UK before I go, how easy is it to carry it on in Germany...can I just transfer all my hours, written exams, medical etc and just do whatever is left, or is it an altogether more complicated process involving learning German for German written exams etc???
Obviously I'm trying to get it done before the move, but weather and life being such as they are....
Anything appreciated...
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Obviously I'm trying to get it done before the move, but weather and life being such as they are....
Anything appreciated...
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"Theoretically" you should be able to finish in Germany, it's a JAR country since May 1... that's what the European harmonisierung is all about , right?? The German authorities are supposed to have exams available in English, but they are so busy with getting the normal day-to-day business done, they may not have some yet.
I know of a case, where someone started out in Switzerland, moved to Holland because of business and wanted to contiunue there, the Dutch wouldn't accept his previous training.... huh??
Usually the medicals, flight hours, etc. will be accepted. And if you finished the written while still in England, then the rest should be no problem. The best thing is to contact the local authority for the area you'll be in. Send me a mail... maybe I can find out more for you.
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I know of a case, where someone started out in Switzerland, moved to Holland because of business and wanted to contiunue there, the Dutch wouldn't accept his previous training.... huh??
Usually the medicals, flight hours, etc. will be accepted. And if you finished the written while still in England, then the rest should be no problem. The best thing is to contact the local authority for the area you'll be in. Send me a mail... maybe I can find out more for you.
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I'd be careful and check this out with the CAA if I were you.
LASORS (Section C) states that:
"however the specific requirements under JAR-FCL (25 hours dual instruction and 10 hours supervised solo-flight time) must be completed in the state under whose authority the training and testing are carried out."
This has been discussed in previous threads and the consesus was that all the training (i.e. the 35 hours as described above, plus the exams) has to be done under the authority of a single member state. This would not allow for a pilot starting training in one state and competing in another. (Don't confuse this with training in the US - pilots who go there from the UK generally train under the authority of the CAA). I don't have time to hunt down the old threads, but they are out there - in the Private Flying forum.
LASORS (Section C) states that:
"however the specific requirements under JAR-FCL (25 hours dual instruction and 10 hours supervised solo-flight time) must be completed in the state under whose authority the training and testing are carried out."
This has been discussed in previous threads and the consesus was that all the training (i.e. the 35 hours as described above, plus the exams) has to be done under the authority of a single member state. This would not allow for a pilot starting training in one state and competing in another. (Don't confuse this with training in the US - pilots who go there from the UK generally train under the authority of the CAA). I don't have time to hunt down the old threads, but they are out there - in the Private Flying forum.
Flying in Other EC Countries
These things tend not to be as simple as they should. Back in June I was on holiday in Greece, made contact with a flying school at the local International airport before I went (the owner used to be an instructor at Stapleford) and made arrangements to hire his Greek registered 152 for an hour. He was content to give me a check ride then let me loose 
.. however.
Firstly, I was happier having a local safety pilot with me ... much quicker and easier with somebody who knows the local procedures, where the reporting points are etc. etc.
All flights in Greece require a flight plan - even a VFR jolly, so, we filled it in with me as P1, the other guy (not the instructor just one of his mates - a Greek PPL) as pax. We also had to fill in a lading bill/ manifest and a few other bits and then trotted down the corridor in the terminal to the airport admin office to file them.
I had to get my license out and my medical certificate and a couple of curmudgeonly Greek CAA matrons (rather like Kathy Staff and Jane Freemen) scrutinised them pulled them to pieces, peered at them against the light etc.
and then demanded ... "Where is your Greek License ??" My instructor/school owner, then produced reams and reams of paperwork from their CAA which apparently (it was in Greek) pronounced unequivicably that Greece being a signatory to JAR accepted wholeheartedly the international agreements and acknowledged a JAA PPL was OK to drive a Greek plane. 
The two dames nodded sagely, smiled and demanded "but where is your Greek License". After 20 minutes of frustration, argument and a whole lot of discussion in Greek, we gave up, put P1 (K1 in Greek) next to the other guys name and made me Pax.
Off we went, I flew LHS, he did the radio calls (the ladies in question apeared to be running the ground frequency as well so best not to give the game away) and we had an enjoyable hour and a half of flying and I put 1.5 hrs in P1 in my book.
Now that was just to get an hour in a 152, heaven knows what would have happened if I'd turned up with UK exam passes and wanted to do the final few hours and a skills test, but I am convinced some insurmountable obstacles would have appeared.
My advice is make sure, make absolutely sure, then make certain. In this case even the Greek guy with the Greek CAA documentation couldn't get past a couple of local officials.
WCollins - I sure hope your man gets to complete OK - he deserves to after the way he got peed about by a club here.
.. however.Firstly, I was happier having a local safety pilot with me ... much quicker and easier with somebody who knows the local procedures, where the reporting points are etc. etc.
All flights in Greece require a flight plan - even a VFR jolly, so, we filled it in with me as P1, the other guy (not the instructor just one of his mates - a Greek PPL) as pax. We also had to fill in a lading bill/ manifest and a few other bits and then trotted down the corridor in the terminal to the airport admin office to file them.
I had to get my license out and my medical certificate and a couple of curmudgeonly Greek CAA matrons (rather like Kathy Staff and Jane Freemen) scrutinised them pulled them to pieces, peered at them against the light etc.
and then demanded ... "Where is your Greek License ??" My instructor/school owner, then produced reams and reams of paperwork from their CAA which apparently (it was in Greek) pronounced unequivicably that Greece being a signatory to JAR accepted wholeheartedly the international agreements and acknowledged a JAA PPL was OK to drive a Greek plane. The two dames nodded sagely, smiled and demanded "but where is your Greek License". After 20 minutes of frustration, argument and a whole lot of discussion in Greek, we gave up, put P1 (K1 in Greek) next to the other guys name and made me Pax.
Off we went, I flew LHS, he did the radio calls (the ladies in question apeared to be running the ground frequency as well so best not to give the game away) and we had an enjoyable hour and a half of flying and I put 1.5 hrs in P1 in my book.
Now that was just to get an hour in a 152, heaven knows what would have happened if I'd turned up with UK exam passes and wanted to do the final few hours and a skills test, but I am convinced some insurmountable obstacles would have appeared.
My advice is make sure, make absolutely sure, then make certain. In this case even the Greek guy with the Greek CAA documentation couldn't get past a couple of local officials.
WCollins - I sure hope your man gets to complete OK - he deserves to after the way he got peed about by a club here.
