Strangest Group Ever?
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Strangest Group Ever?
Well, probably not the strangest but certainly unusual:
Any of you who know me know that I have a strange love of the PZL Wilga. Thing is, see, I have in my grasp a Brand New Wilga 2000 (300 GeeGee Lycoming and fancy seats etc...)
It strikes me that many people would like to own 'a bit of my Wilga 2000' - possibily in addition to their normal steed - so that one might visit the odd 300m strip with four people on board or land in a cabbage patch etc.
Also, those who know me will vouch that I am a perfectionist and that the group will be flawlessly administered and honestly run.
Base either Popham or White Waltham, training included shares in the region of £10k.
Any ideas folks?
Any of you who know me know that I have a strange love of the PZL Wilga. Thing is, see, I have in my grasp a Brand New Wilga 2000 (300 GeeGee Lycoming and fancy seats etc...)
It strikes me that many people would like to own 'a bit of my Wilga 2000' - possibily in addition to their normal steed - so that one might visit the odd 300m strip with four people on board or land in a cabbage patch etc.
Also, those who know me will vouch that I am a perfectionist and that the group will be flawlessly administered and honestly run.
Base either Popham or White Waltham, training included shares in the region of £10k.
Any ideas folks?
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Gotta love those PZL aircraft!
Sounds like a great 'plane [see SWAviator review], but neither Popham, nor White Waltham, nor anywhere else in the UK would be very convenient for me ... 
Have fun with your new toy! Wish I could try some glider towing in it!
Have fun with your new toy! Wish I could try some glider towing in it!
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Mr Kolibear!
Well, you know me and Wilgas!
Cubs are great and I'd still love one but they are running at silly money (especially for a two seater whereas the Wilga has 4 + bags) and they need hangaring - not essential in this case.
Well, you know me and Wilgas!
Cubs are great and I'd still love one but they are running at silly money (especially for a two seater whereas the Wilga has 4 + bags) and they need hangaring - not essential in this case.
) but am curious!!
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Cost wise you are looking at a little bit more than a 172 but a lot more character and fun. At 100 knots (any faster is just turning fuel to noise exponentially) you will burn 45 litres of avgas (according to the Shadin Flowmeter). In terms of running costs the aircraft is VERY simple. Manual flaps, massive chunky simple undercarriage, inspection panels are hinged so less labour cost at annual time. Best of all, it's new so it comes with a warranty for those unforeseen problems and ADs etc.
I am fairly keen to push a larger proportion of annual/c of a costs into the monthly price so that members are encouraged to fly the aircraft ('sleeping' members tend to moan at annual time when they argue that they have not caused much wear and tear etc but I prefer to see the monthly as the cost of making the aircraft available to the member)
My target would be to see the hourly cost below £90/hr wet but I need to get cracking on sums to work out the monthly spend too, I'll let you know.
I am fairly keen to push a larger proportion of annual/c of a costs into the monthly price so that members are encouraged to fly the aircraft ('sleeping' members tend to moan at annual time when they argue that they have not caused much wear and tear etc but I prefer to see the monthly as the cost of making the aircraft available to the member)
My target would be to see the hourly cost below £90/hr wet but I need to get cracking on sums to work out the monthly spend too, I'll let you know.
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It will be there because I will fly it there! What a coincidence.
That aircraft G-RIIN (because you can't help but GRIIN when you fly it) belongs to another private owner who is deeply in love with the aircraft (they are a husband and wife team and both fly it).
That aircraft G-RIIN (because you can't help but GRIIN when you fly it) belongs to another private owner who is deeply in love with the aircraft (they are a husband and wife team and both fly it).
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Yup, it's an aircraft I've also drooled over, ever since reading the review in Flyer a year or so back.
I don't think many aeroplanes look that nice all in red, but the Wilga's one of the few I think does. (It's weird, but I really don't think Pitts do, and many of them are!).
tKF
I don't think many aeroplanes look that nice all in red, but the Wilga's one of the few I think does. (It's weird, but I really don't think Pitts do, and many of them are!).
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If you're going to burn fuel at that rate with 300HP, and pay that kind of money for a new ship, you could just as easily buy a really good Cessna 185.
Now there's a tailwheel aircraft -- short field, fast cruise, 6 seats, well 4 at least. Beautiful.
QDM
Now there's a tailwheel aircraft -- short field, fast cruise, 6 seats, well 4 at least. Beautiful.
QDM
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I agree - the 185 is a fine machine but first you have to find one, then you have to get it to the spec you want and after all of that you have no warranty on an aging airframe. The market rate for a 185 is well above the $130,000 mark (phew).
The 185 is also significantly more complex to maintain. There's no doubt, however, that it is a great aircraft. In terms of ruggedness, however, there isn't even a contest (the aileron pushrods on the Wilga are about 3/4" thick for example) - that's one reason why it's not as quick.
I've also got a fair bit of time in a Helio 295 - that beats both aircraft for speed, load carrying AND field performance but it is a thoroughbred and requires seriously high end money to keep it tip top.
PS - 45lt/hr isn't that bad is it? YAK owners are happy doing 125kt and 60lt/hr +.
The 185 is also significantly more complex to maintain. There's no doubt, however, that it is a great aircraft. In terms of ruggedness, however, there isn't even a contest (the aileron pushrods on the Wilga are about 3/4" thick for example) - that's one reason why it's not as quick.
I've also got a fair bit of time in a Helio 295 - that beats both aircraft for speed, load carrying AND field performance but it is a thoroughbred and requires seriously high end money to keep it tip top.
PS - 45lt/hr isn't that bad is it? YAK owners are happy doing 125kt and 60lt/hr +.
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12 galls/hr for a big hunk of metal on a 540 is not bad I suppose! 
Let's admire it a bit more...
http://www.pbase.com/image/2126238
http://www.pbase.com/image/2126237
http://www.pbase.com/image/2126210
Let's admire it a bit more...
http://www.pbase.com/image/2126238
http://www.pbase.com/image/2126237
http://www.pbase.com/image/2126210
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"PS - 45lt/hr isn't that bad is it? YAK owners are happy doing 125kt and 60lt/hr +."
Yep, but it is often 80lt/hr +++ !!
(Yak flying does have its compensatory benefits though...as anyone who comes to Aerofair will I hope see in the flying display on Saturday and Sunday).
Yep, but it is often 80lt/hr +++ !!
(Yak flying does have its compensatory benefits though...as anyone who comes to Aerofair will I hope see in the flying display on Saturday and Sunday).
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Come on then interested parties! I can arrange demos for those SERIOUSLY interested (not Classifed Flying Club Members)
Come on SC - you know you want a share!
It will appeal to you rugged antipodean side
Come on SC - you know you want a share!
It will appeal to you rugged antipodean side
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From: Deepest Warwickshire
Oh dear!
This Wilga 2000 has ended up in a slightly bad state:
http://www.globalparts.com/Rebuildab...rin/index.html
http://www.globalparts.com/Rebuildab...rin/index.html
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