Personal Flying Visibility Minima
PPruNaholic!
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Excellent thread - was starting to feel a bit sub-par myself for not being comfortable below say 8km / 10km on a few flights last year, so good to know I am reacting same as other approx. 100 / 120 hr guys.
One mitigant that I sometimes consider is the presence of another PPL of equal or greater ability, which serves to halve the workload. Did trip to Blackpool ealier this year in approx. 5~6km vis. like this (other guy similar experience and also non-IMC rated), and it worked out well - but I know I would not have done so on my own.
Andy
One mitigant that I sometimes consider is the presence of another PPL of equal or greater ability, which serves to halve the workload. Did trip to Blackpool ealier this year in approx. 5~6km vis. like this (other guy similar experience and also non-IMC rated), and it worked out well - but I know I would not have done so on my own.
Andy
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Interesting CRM:
Never realised that having 2 vanilla PPLs was the same as having IMC/IR
Joking apart, safety in numbers OK but are you not pushing yourself in a corner?
Did the other person think the same and was there some 'egging on' in the most benign form with each thinking that we best not show that we are getting a bit uncomfortable here.
Just a thought.
FD
I know I would not have done so on my own
Joking apart, safety in numbers OK but are you not pushing yourself in a corner?
Did the other person think the same and was there some 'egging on' in the most benign form with each thinking that we best not show that we are getting a bit uncomfortable here.
Just a thought.
FD
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G'day FD,
No... I don't think that 2xPPL = 1xIMC!
We were within VMC limitations, and I have flown in same conditions before, when I first got the license - but with hindsight and experience I now am much more cautious in these conditions. I'm not suggesting people should flex their personal minima too much, but just to take into account that better vis. etc. needed if on your own.
Perhaps you are not familiar with sharing legs with fellow-qualified PPLs, but a group of us fly fairly regularly together, and as far as "CRM" goes, we do decide which one flies, while the other navs, ahead of time on a per leg basis.
Never realised that having 2 vanilla PPLs was the same as having IMC/IR
We were within VMC limitations, and I have flown in same conditions before, when I first got the license - but with hindsight and experience I now am much more cautious in these conditions. I'm not suggesting people should flex their personal minima too much, but just to take into account that better vis. etc. needed if on your own.
Perhaps you are not familiar with sharing legs with fellow-qualified PPLs, but a group of us fly fairly regularly together, and as far as "CRM" goes, we do decide which one flies, while the other navs, ahead of time on a per leg basis.
Why do it if it's not fun?
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Nothing wrong with that at all, as far as I can see.
Personally, I'm quite happy flying in my local area in 5km vis, but I wouldn't want to go much further afield - the additional workload of navigation would probably be too much. On the other hand, if I have someone sat next to me who can concentrate on the navigation, and just give me headings to fly - or vice versa - then the workload for both of us is well within comfortable limits. I've never done this, but I'd have no problem doing it if the situation arose.
FFF
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Personally, I'm quite happy flying in my local area in 5km vis, but I wouldn't want to go much further afield - the additional workload of navigation would probably be too much. On the other hand, if I have someone sat next to me who can concentrate on the navigation, and just give me headings to fly - or vice versa - then the workload for both of us is well within comfortable limits. I've never done this, but I'd have no problem doing it if the situation arose.
FFF
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