Of course I can land in your front garden

[pilotwolf]

I just love the way some chose on to answer the bits of a post they want and conviently ignore bits they can't justify or respond to!

1. Unfortunately the general public and/or the CAA don't see it that way...
2. What over the wreckage if the wheels had buried themselves in the boggy ground and the thing had stood on its nose?
3. Agreed but as I said no details have been provided, still, so the judgement I and others have made is based on the tone of post and the lack of evidence to prove that the area was suitable.
4. YES EXACTLY! THEY ARE CLOSED BECAUSE THEY AREN'T USABLE - just as this 'strip' was unusable for departures. As such a responsible 'official' strip would have been closed completely - not just when the ground temperature went above freezing.

Unfortunately the first post was written in the tone of a tabloid and no facts were available to make that decision.

I am perfectly chilled thanks - just think I that it is a waste of time trying to reason with some people!

Its becoming blatanly obvious what is wrong with this forum - if anyone dares to make a comment or judgement that is in disagreement with others opinions or behaviour they are immediately flamed.

Although I have a Commericial licence I m not flying for a living so I guess that makes my flying of a private nature. But even as a private pilot it seems my views or opinions aren't welcome....

[FlyingForFun]

Pilotwolf,

A few weeks ago, I flew out of a grass strip. It was very muddy - so much so that the owner kindly requested that I not do any circuits, and keep to the right-hand side of the strip because that was the least-muddy part. Because I don't have the figures to hand, I'm not going to tell you the length of the strip. There are some houses and a school immediately before the start of the strip, a church at the other end, and some neigbours who have big houses, lots of money and loud voices, and feel that the former two give them the right to use the latter to object to aeroplanes overflying their houses.

Do you think what I did was wrong? Because the place I was flying from was a licensed airfield - White Waltham, in fact.

FFF
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PS - No one has said that your views aren't welcome, it's just that you have to be prepared to put forward a good argument with others who don't agree with you. You do have some points to argue - but the argument will only be worthwhile as long as we can ensure it does not degenerate to the level of personal abuse, which both you and FD are getting dangerously close to, IMHO.

[maggioneato]

Sounds like good fun to me,as one who flew from miles of tarmac for many years, I discovered strip flying 18 months ago, and now do so on a regular basis,walking the strip to pick out the less soggy bits.If the donkey stops,I feel I stand a much better chance of survival,than I had before flying from a farmstrip.Would love to have seen the landing and take off. Great stuff.

[pilotwolf]

FFF - sounds fun if you don't mind washing the mud off afterwards!

Obviously the ground was safe enough for you to get airbourne as otherwise I assume you wouldn't have tried - nor would the (?) licence holder permitted you to risk his licence/income or giving the locals more ammunition in the form of an accident/incident to get the field closed...

What concerns me is the lack of apparent planning in checking the field was suitable - it has never been denied by Hairyplane that his friend just turned up nor has he given any confirmation that his friend made the effort to plan properly.

I am arguing my points based on the facts provided - something which seems to upset others. Provide all the details, Hairyplane, and maybe I can then come to a different opinion on the event.....

I would point out also that I responded to the fact that I the thread had also been used to call me a Tw@t as I dared to question something on a different thread - which also ended up with me being flamed and accused of saying things which I hadn't...

Sorry, but I WILL defend myself and I respond to people in the same manner to which they 'speak' to me. As far as I am aware I have supported every statement I have made with the facts as provided and have made the effort to reply in full to the whole of a post....

[surely not]

Pilotwolf, your points are only valid IF
- the original post had stated that the pilot had never previously visited Hairyplanes house and garden.
- the post had stated that that there hadn't been any previous discussion between HP and his friend as to the length, condition etc of the garden.

However the post gave only the most basic information, upon which yourself and several others jumped in and completed the crossword without bothering to ask for the clues! Now you have the hump because some of the answers don't match the clues.

HP has nothing to defend himself against. I have a mental picture of him sitting at his computer chuckling away at all the supposition being used to condemn him. Just because HP hasn't told us the details of any planning or discussion you jump to the conclusion that there wasn't any.

Couldn't you have asked the question instead? In your last post you border on asking but it comes out more as a demand which is a tad conceited IMHO

You admit to basing your response on the 'tone' of the original post, and 'lack of evidence'. You seem to have mastered the keyboard so why didn't you ask before shooting from the hip?

HP - how far away are your nearest neighbours? Have they objected? Did the press pay you a visit? Will you be going fishing again in the near future!?

[Ludwig]

Well, I think if nothing else this thread has proven that there are (at least) two type of pilots; those who get on with doing what they enjoy, because they can, and those who whether through personal inadequacy or whatever, spend their lives looking for something to whinge about. Life is short enough as it is, tomorrow you may be hit by a car and die, live and let live I say, and leave the pointless bickering out. Remember we are not talking about a cure for world famine of the solution to war here, it's just some bloke in a 'plane havin' a larf. Get things into pespective. No one died; QED therefore not a problem.

[Flyin'Dutch']

Pilotwolf wrote:

I am perfectly chilled thanks - just think I that it is a waste of time trying to reason with some people!

Well you could have fooled me.

You say that you base your statements on evidence. Well actually you dont you jump in from a great height and made a big splat, a muddy one at that.

By your own admission:

3. Agreed but as I said no details have been provided, still, so the judgement I and others have made is based on the tone of post and the lack of evidence to prove that the area was suitable

Obviously the ground was safe enough for you to get airbourne as otherwise I assume you wouldn't have tried

So why is it OK for FFF to do this and not HP's mate?

Please elaborate on that one.

You further write:

I would point out also that I responded to the fact that I the thread had also been used to call me a Tw@t as I dared to question something on a different thread - which also ended up with me being flamed

We on this thread can not take responsibility for what has happened on other threads and I would certainly not want to be involved in any name calling.

What I do think though is that if people take a certain point of view and make comments about other people's action; that they have to be willing to substantiate that.

If you choose to shoot from the hip you have to be big enough to take the flak that follows.

FD

[Monocock]

Flyin Dutch, if I had to guess your profession I'd say you are a solicitor?????!!!!

Your post smacked the wolf in the forehead with that post and I would like to think we have seen the end of him. If he comes back I would take a guess that he's going to want to huff, and he'll puff.....

[Evo]

Bloomin' 'eck, can we PLEASE stop slagging each other off. This used to be a friendly forum, but that seems to be fading as it grows. Hopefully the weather will pick up, we can all go flying and things will get back to normal.

[pilotwolf]

Well you children can play by yourself - as is blatanly obvious you are more interested in having a go at me - just like the other thread - which the poster has to be responsible for as he and no one else wrote it.

I stand by what I said and if you chose to ignore or not actually read what I have said then I m not wasting anymore of my time. On the basis of what information was initially given I stand by the fact I feel this was an irresponsible act.

The diffeence between FFF and HP's friend is that FFF obviously walked or carefully examined the strip before attempting to use it HP's friend apparently did not.

I just hope you are so keen to stand behind this type of flying when or if the guy gets it wrong and ends up over the front page of the tabloids. Likewise I hope you are all so keen to stand up and fight the likes of FFF's 'neighbours' when they try and close down another airfield based on inconsiderate behaviour.

I ll stick to the PROFESSIONAL threads form now on.

I ll leave you with the old saying:

There are BOLD pilots and there are OLD pilots, but there aren't many OLD and BOLD pilots

[Flyin'Dutch']

Monocock.

You were right on the second count!



FD

[flickoff]

No but there are a lot of boring pilots. Better to buy the farm having fun than die of boredom wishing you had had more fun.

[AerBabe]

Hmmm... FFF, did White Waltham let you wonder out across the airfield to walk it?
And HP, presumably your mate has been to see your 'front garden' before. Tell me, did you take your undies off the washing line to increase clearance?

[BeauMan]

Ah, what fun this thread is. Having met Hairyplane very briefly a couple of years ago, and knowing one of his acquaintances quite well, I can hazard a guess at what Hairyplane himself has been doing in the past week or so.

I suspect he'd be logging on to this thread, reading some of the more extreme posts (I use the word extreme to describe the two ends of the "He's a nutter" / "No he's not, he's only having fun" spectrum), sitting back and having a bloody good chortle to himself at how ridiculously self important people can be. And rightly so.

[DamienB]

BeauMan - he was certainly doing exactly that last time I saw him!

Anyway, bet none of you could land in my garden! If the trees on finals don't get you, the wicked downslope and bird bath surely will.

[Evo]

I suspect he'd be logging on to this thread, reading some of the more extreme posts ... sitting back and having a bloody good chortle to himself at how ridiculously self important people can be

Ah, the joys of Trolling. Well done, Hairyplane, people took the bait. Now please don't do it again, there's a good chap...

troll

1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.

[DamienB]

Evo - if the landing hadn't occurred and HP was making it all up maybe you would have a point. As it is, it did, so you don't. Or are you saying HP's mate did this purely so HP could troll the humourless on this board (of which, it seems, there are several)?

[Final 3 Greens]

Hairyplane

Will your mate land in my front garden for a bet ..................... (between Ladbrokes and me!)

[Evo]

Damien - you've missed my point. The original post seems to have been written so that people would bite ("my front garden"...). You could tell the same story without the hook, so that's a troll in my book. All the "aren't we clever, we hooked them" backslapping points in that direction too.

To be honest, I don't know anything about the facts, so I've got no opinion about someone landing an aeroplane in Hairyplane's "garden". I'm just sad that what was once a fine forum is turning into this.

[DamienB]

And I rather think that was precisely HP's point - the forum has become just a little bit holier than thou recently.

I can only imagine what the response would have been if our interepid Cub pilot had performed a run and break before the landing