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Old 11th Jan 2003, 11:48
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What really unusual/different/old/new/exciting aircraft have you flown?

When someone resurrected my balloon thread from the depths, I realised it was a while since we had a discussion on different sorts of flying. So what have you flown - or been a passenger in - that's really different? You probably all know about mine, because I post so much, but to summarise briefly:

13 hours in Mi-2 and Mi-8 twin engined turbine helicopters in Russia last summer.

An hour in a LET 410 huge (well, around 30 seats) twin engined aeroplane, also in Russia.

A couple of gyroplane trial lessons, in an RAF 2000 and a VPM something-or-other (too lazy to get my log book out to find out what it was).

A gliding trial lesson - not all that differnt, but different for me. And who else gets persuaded to do aerobatics on a trial lesson?


About 15 hours struggling to fly an F2 Alpha flexwing microlight - the thread about it should still be around.

A balloon flight as a passenger - well, navigator officially, but at 15kts you don't need to navigate much.

A couple of 3-axis microlight trial lessons, one of them over Victoria Falls.

I think that's about it, unless you count sitting in an airship on the ground.

So what have you lot all flown? And what was it like?
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DC3 - 20 hrs in the RHS
DHC4 - 15 hrs in the RHS
CheyenneII - 7hrs
B200 - 23hrs
various Pitts Specials 130hrs

and the best.........

well Curtis Pitts needs to take a bow!

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I flew a Kittiwake down in Haverfordwest (not quite as exotic as Russia Whirl). A lovely single seater built by RN apprentices and one of only 3 built.
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Most unusual - Gardan Horizon and Stik's Pushpak
The GH was fun. Very responsive, but not enough time to really judge it well...
The Pushpak was fantastic. Very docile, and very stable. Needs a lot of rudder input (sorry Stik :o ).

Most expensive - Beech Baron.
WOW. This was incredible. I think we covered Welshpool to Shobdon in about 10 minutes, and at 1000' the speed makes it feel like you're a lot lower than you really are. Had to go around on the first approach because I was just too high.

Oldest - Chipmunk.
Well, that's a whole other thread! There may be an update in a few weeks....

Also had some RHS time in a Luscombe, which was the first light aeroplane I went up in apart from the C152 I was training in. That was an eye-opener!

Finally, lots of LHS time in an R-22, thanks to Whirly, and 30 min PIC. And one circuit in a glider.
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Had 1/2 an hour flying a Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer once.

'Ponderous' is about the best descriptive I can think of, about similar to an Islander I think.
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An hour in a Cessna 175 from the early 60s.

It was a bit like an early 172 (straight tail, noe rear view panel, manual flaps), but had a geared engine that turned something like 3300rpm into 2700 for take off..

Not exotic, but unusual on the UK register.

It flew very nicely, but seemed to be more sensitive in pitch and haevioer on the controls - also a bit wierd to hear an engine running at higher rpm than you would expect in that type of aeroplance.
 
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Oldest I think was an N3N-3, which was a 1940ish US Navy trainer. Big, heavy, powerful, and even more fun than a Harvard, but with even less view out the front.

Most unreliable is the Jaguar T2a, but that was work. Also the aeroplane that I've been most frightened in (on several occasions, and no - I wasn't being shot at).

One of the most unusual and interesting was a French HM293 flying flea, which is a tiny little biplane with a stick that drives the rudder for roll and the forward wing for pitch - the lower/rear wing (they are staggered) was fixed and there were no roll controls on the wing. Funny thing was it was incredibly sporty and felt rather like I imagine it would flying a Sopwith Camel.

Another really odd one was the British MW4 (only one ever built) the entire tail structure is single-piece and mounted to the fuselage-tube with the universal joint from a Triumph Stag. Flew remarkably well but tended to Phugoid and you didn't want to put in pitch or yaw inputs too fast or the control kept going with the tail structure's inertia.

Lightest was a little British flexwing microlight called a Halfpint 130SX, which I worked out I flew with a TOW of 160kg. Had a very strange little 25hp engine that you had to decompress with special spring catches every time you pulled it through to start.

Most expensive that I paid for myself, a PA28-235c, which is a 235hp fixed gear Cherokee with a VP prop and far too many fuel tanks. Most expensive I didn't was probably a Merlin which I did a little time up the back of as a flight test observer at Westlands.

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T21 open cockpit glider

My beloved Chipmunk since 1978.

Waco biplane (in Clearwater, Florida). Heavy and sedate, but nice.

Stearman. Ditto.

Tiger Moth. Good fun, but really an awful aeroplane in many ways.

Stampe. Everything the Tiger should have been but isn't.

Acrosport. Very twitchy with little 'feedback' through the controls.

My (so far) only helicopter flight - in a Gazelle. Interesting, but not for me.

Oh - a late addition - a flight on a Mainair flexwing 912 Blade. Like squatting on a toilet bowl with nothing between the porcelain and the ground but 2000 feet of clear air. Good fun!

And finally my favorite pilot's aeroplane - Yak 52. Warbird experience at a fraction the cost. Everyone should fly one (I did for over 2 years). It will change how you think about flying.

But top of the tree for exotica must be BA Concorde G-BOAD jumpseat flight (as reported in 'Pilot' a couple of years ago) from startup at Manchester to shutdown at Paris CDG including flying to 60,000 feet and mach 2.02. An amazing experience, and probably not to be available eber again post 11/9 for anyone but Concorde flight crew.

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Auster Mark IX TODAY for the first time ever, an aircraft designed by my father-in-law. A great day in many ways, therefore.

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Ghengis

You flew at Westlands? When? I was there approx 1964. My father was a pilot there 1949.

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I'd not wish to claim excessive grandeur, I have done one or two odd jobs for their QA and flight test departments between about 1990 and 1997, I've never actually been employed by them.

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Fixed wing:

Slingsby T-21 (first solo aged 15) and Blanik gliders.
Chipmunk.
Cessna 150 & 152 (soloed aged 17).
Auster Autocrat (can't remember much about it).
Allons Ercoupe (had coupled ailerons and twin rudders. Steers like a car on the ground by rotating the yoke left / right like a steering wheel. Very underpowered, stopped it climbing by the extra drag of an arm out of the targa top).
Jet Provost 3 & 5 (not nice and not quite as bad, respectively).
Hunter T bird (Nice!).
Harrier T bird (easier to hover than many helis I can think of).
Beagle Husky (Rare, Auster with Lycoming engine. Liked it but someone crashed it trying to pick up a banner. Slow due to fine pitch prop fitted for towing).
Bulldog (QFI'd on these for a while. Good handling but tends to lose height during aeros).
Steen Skybolt (sadly it spun, crashed and burned on its next flight, killing my friend who was flying in the front seat, just as I had previously been).
Jodel (wooden, just like my flying).
Grob Tutor (plastic Bulldog, poor roll rate, good vertical performance, can gain height during aeros despite less power).
Tiger Moth, somewhere in there and perhaps a few others, now forgotten due to onset of old age.

Helis:

Whirlwind 10 (Hard work, big aircraft, no stick feel, fuel computer out very difficult but an excellent trainer. Solo engine-offs required as part of the course with about 40 hours total heli flown).
Wessex 5 (Flying emergencies trainer).
Puma HC1 (Used to be the queen of the skies, not sure these days. A fast lady).
Gazelle HT2/3 (sports car, more aerobatic than many fixed wing).
Chinook (Big. Enough said).
Huey UH-1 (Rugged and basic).
Bell 212 (As above but more fiddly with twin engines).
CH-53 (BIG! First flight was night, using NVG. Landed it on IR in the desert with no external visual references due to brown-out conditions. Flew it on a desert firing range with two miniguns firing from the forward doors just behind me and a half inch Browning firing off the ramp. Very impressive).
AS-355 F1 /F2 /N (simple but do a good job)
Blackhawk (my all-time favourite aircraft. First flight was night using NVG and carried out air-air refuelling from a C-130. Excellent all-round aircraft, very powerful for its size and good single engine performance).
S-76 (All models, including SAR, for which it is underpowered, and firebucketing, ditto. Fast though. Only heli I've flown that will easily exceed VNE in level flight).
R-22 (only once, never again, thanks)

But they're all unusual, the way I fly!
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QDMQDMQDM: 'Dicky' Bird is your father-in-law? How is he? I had a long letter from him a year or two back on the subject of one of his other designs, the Auster Agricola, but have not been in touch for a while. Many years ago when I was researching the Beagle affair I had several fascinating meetings with him, and kept in occasional contact.
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Dragon Rapide, first flight, Portsmouth, way back.
Auster Alpha, a year before it crashed in France
Percival Proctor, to France and Holland
Vickers Viking, Blackbushe, organised by 'Sid', the motorcycle cop who patrolled that part of the A30.
S-61, Peterhead to Aberdeen
S-76, Aberdeen to Bidford Dolphin
Bell 212, Forli to Bologna, courtesy Bologna police, 11 p.m.
Tiger Moth D-ENDE, from a Russian Army Mi-24 base near Magdeburg (ex G-ANDI), including my first loop
Trident G-ARPI, Le Bourget to Heathrow
Fox glider, two-seat version of Polish Swift
Rubis, a pretty retractable French mono, only seven laid down for the govt flying school
TB-20, Le Bourget to Morocco and L'Ayoune
Cessna 172 Lanseria to Pretoria and back via Waterkloof (on a Sunday)
Learjet Lanseria to Capetown and back
Jet Provosts and a Strikemaster, the latter from Shoreham to Duxford in 2001, my second loop (plus other lovely things)
Short 360 Inverness to Aberdeen
DC-3 and Avro748 Lympne to Beauvais (Skyways coach-air service)
Nord 262 Lyon to St. Yan
Grumman Tiger, Sywell to Cranfield
VC-10 Frankfurt to Heathrow, EAAC
Champion Tri-Traveller, Biggin Hill
Chipmunk Charlton Park to Rendcombe
Piper Navajo, Shoreham to North Weald
Piper Dakota G-FRGN, last year, Kidlington
Thunder & Colt balloon in Hungary and Czech
Piper Twin Comanche, Le Plessis Belleville to Egypt and Jordan, plus an Arrow 3 around the pyramids, and a Cessna 337 from Rhodes to Egelsbach
JU-52 Frankfurt to Biggin Hill in 2001

and the one that got away....

Lufthansa's Me-108 to Duxford last year, which I had to pass up because I had already booked our summer holiday!

Ghengis - believe I knew the owner of the N3N-3, if it was the one in the UK.
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dH - most single types apart from the Puss moth
Stampe
Chippie
Harvard
Pitts
Cap10
Issacs Fury (beutifully built but ASI calibrated to show approach speed 1 kt above stall - hence the guy that built it had already bent it twice! - and no, I didn't)
Latest Robin 4 seater, nice to fly, but the interesting bit was the new King radio fit that it took me most of the delivery flight to work out!
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C-150
C-152
PA-28-141
PA-28-161
T67 Slinsgby - all time favourite. Did some aeroswhen the PA-28 was unavailable. 60kts, stick back to vertical and kick the rudder - Yee Haw!. Over cooked it once and was inverted before kicking the rudder - exciting.

After the PA-28 it felt like a sports car.
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Old 13th Jan 2003, 08:46
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I feel left out here, it makes my flying look boring Not that any flying is boring, but it's all relative

Most exciting aircraft I've flown is the Pitts S2C - wow! Also the most expensive, at $300/hr.

I think the rarest aircraft I've flown is probably my own, the Europa - but that's only because it's a new-ish design. I think they are becoming more and more common. Although when I flew into Exeter last year, the woman who collected the landing fees wasn't sure what to do, because it was the first time she'd ever seen any aircraft land there which wasn't in her list of how much to charge each aircraft.

Most enjoyable aircraft is probably the Super Cub. As much as I love aerobatics, there's nothing quite like flying a couple of thousand feet above the ground, with the window and door wide open (but enough cockpit there to not have to wear goggles), in a slow but responsive aircraft - pure bliss!

And, at the opposite end of the scale is the Aztec - the biggest aircraft I've flown, and a complete pig - let it get even slightly out of trim, and unless you've been spending time in the gym you'll feel it for a few days afterwards. Very challenging, though - especially final, where you have to be lined up as soon as you turn on to final, because you can't just "point it this way a bit" like most of the other aircraft I've flown.

SSD - I'm jealous, I'd love to fly a Waco! Have you read Michael McCafferty's web-site? Definitely recommended reading, but not unless you've got a few hours to spare!

Still hoping to add the Tiger Moth to my list later this year. I know it's a pig to fly, has a horrendous amount of adverse yaw, yadda yadda yadda, but it's just one of those things that I know I've got to do.

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FFF a few thousand feet in a CUb? Mine used to have nosebleeds if it went that high

You'll love the Tiger. Despite being a bit of a mishmash of a design it's loadsa fun. Wear a thick warm jacket though, the windscreen is very effective at guiding the wind to you

If you ever get a chance at a Stearman (aka Boeing Kaydet) go for it. It's how a Texan would design a Tiger. Does what the Tiger does on twice as much horsepower. Better windscreens too

Flat out over the surf at Pendine beach at 50'in a Twin Commanche was a blast too
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Just flicked through my log books for some types consistent with the topic:
Akro Model Z, CT-4 (including the turboprop prototype), most Pitts, Christen Eagle, BA-4B, Condor, Stits SA-6B, PL-4A, Stearman, Ultrabat, Maverick, Optica, Husky, Harvard, RV-6, Austers, Emerald, Chipmunk & Tiger Moth.
Its been fun.
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The 150 hours or so in my log book makes fairly dull reading
PA38
PA28
Robin DR400
Robin 2160
PA28RT
Zlin 242
PA34 Seneca
With a Stampe and (my new share in a...) WAG Aero Cuby being the only noteable exceptions.

That said, I've enjoyed every minute of it!!

Also been fortunate enough to have 'hands on' experience of
Mk3 Jet Provost - beautiful...loved watching the wingtip vortices is steep turns on a hazy day
Cessna 208 Caravan - aerodynamics of a housebrick put oodles of power, extremely versatile
MH Broussard - Lots of noise, not much speed

...and jump seat rides in
Boeing 737
Fokker 100
Falcon 50EX
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