Starting a Group
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Starting a Group
As FNG and myself tried and failed to start a group around a Fairchild Argus I thought it might be better to find out what aircraft people would like to form a group around.
Option 1 - PFA vintage 2 seater £12-15k (eg Aeronca Champ, Piper Cub, Luscombe etc) £12-14k
Option 2 - PFA modern 2 seater £25-50k (eg Europa, Vans, Zodiac etc)
Option 3 - C of A 2 seater £20-30k (eg C152, Katana, ARV Super 2 etc, Bolkow Junior, Tomahawk etc)
Option 4 - C of A 4 seater £20-40k (eg C172, PA-28, AA-5A, TB9 etc)
Option 5 - Aerobatic type £20-60k (eg Pitts S1/2, Cap 10, Chipmunk, Bulldog, Slingsby T61 etc)
Option 6 - "Exotic" type £20-???? (eg Argus, Broussard, Beech 18, Chipmunk, DC3 etc)
Alternatively, feel free to add suggestions
Option 1 - PFA vintage 2 seater £12-15k (eg Aeronca Champ, Piper Cub, Luscombe etc) £12-14k
Option 2 - PFA modern 2 seater £25-50k (eg Europa, Vans, Zodiac etc)
Option 3 - C of A 2 seater £20-30k (eg C152, Katana, ARV Super 2 etc, Bolkow Junior, Tomahawk etc)
Option 4 - C of A 4 seater £20-40k (eg C172, PA-28, AA-5A, TB9 etc)
Option 5 - Aerobatic type £20-60k (eg Pitts S1/2, Cap 10, Chipmunk, Bulldog, Slingsby T61 etc)
Option 6 - "Exotic" type £20-???? (eg Argus, Broussard, Beech 18, Chipmunk, DC3 etc)
Alternatively, feel free to add suggestions
Why do it if it's not fun?
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Ooh, one of each please!
Actually, that's probably a little excessive. All I'd really want is one of Option 1 for good-weather flying, one of Option 5 for serious fun, and one of Option 4 (preferably retractible and with a wobbly prop, and kitted out for IMC) for when I need to get somewhere. Oh, and one of Option 6 for shows, fly-ins, etc.
Unfortunately, the problem with all of these is the same as the reason I wasn't seriously interested in the Argus, and why I'm not interested in the DC3. Money. I can't afford another aircraft right now, even if the "perfect" aircraft were to become available.
FFF
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Actually, that's probably a little excessive. All I'd really want is one of Option 1 for good-weather flying, one of Option 5 for serious fun, and one of Option 4 (preferably retractible and with a wobbly prop, and kitted out for IMC) for when I need to get somewhere. Oh, and one of Option 6 for shows, fly-ins, etc.
Unfortunately, the problem with all of these is the same as the reason I wasn't seriously interested in the Argus, and why I'm not interested in the DC3. Money. I can't afford another aircraft right now, even if the "perfect" aircraft were to become available.
FFF
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Currently I'm in 4 and happy, but could be easily tempted by 2, so long as I wasn't going to have to spend several years building it first.
I'm also currently talking to some friends about Option 7 being an incredibly cheap single seat microlight worth about £3k between half a dozen of us. That comes out at about £500 each, and at a small strip (you don't need more than 300m runway for something like this) probably £5/mth tie-down, £5/mth fixed overheads, and £10/hr petrol. Current favourite aircraft is an MW5, I fancied an MW7 but several of the other possible conspirators don't have SEP licenses, which limits us to microlights.
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I'm also currently talking to some friends about Option 7 being an incredibly cheap single seat microlight worth about £3k between half a dozen of us. That comes out at about £500 each, and at a small strip (you don't need more than 300m runway for something like this) probably £5/mth tie-down, £5/mth fixed overheads, and £10/hr petrol. Current favourite aircraft is an MW5, I fancied an MW7 but several of the other possible conspirators don't have SEP licenses, which limits us to microlights.
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Appreciate your point FFF, go get that pay rise. Try harder 
Sounds like a cunning plan there Genghis. That really is affordable flying. It amazes me that people spend a fortune hourbuilding when there are aircraft like the MW7, VP1 etc available for well under £5k.
Sounds like a cunning plan there Genghis. That really is affordable flying. It amazes me that people spend a fortune hourbuilding when there are aircraft like the MW7, VP1 etc available for well under £5k.
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I'm looking for a 3-plane group in South East France, consisting of:
1. Something aerobatic - a Pitts would be ideal.
2. A Jodel D140 Mousquetaire for touring, carrying lots of people and flying to rough strips.
3. One of these. An unfortunately named machine, which takes off in 100m, cruises at 130kts, has a 29:1 glide ratio and costs about £45k.
1. Something aerobatic - a Pitts would be ideal.
2. A Jodel D140 Mousquetaire for touring, carrying lots of people and flying to rough strips.
3. One of these. An unfortunately named machine, which takes off in 100m, cruises at 130kts, has a 29:1 glide ratio and costs about £45k.
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Rod1 for me to be involved in a group it would have to be around N. London, Herts, Beds area but part of the reason behind the post was to get people to propose groups in the area they want.
Aerobatic Flyer sounds like a neat wish list and yes, the aeroplane does have an unfortunate name
My personal preferance is the Broussard. Big round 450hp engine. Built like the proverbial outhouse, can live outside keeping hangarage fees down and can operate from short fields. Simple construction so easy to maintain. A tad challenging to handle (so I've been told) but then again so is an Auster and I can't get 6 bods in mine
PS they are relatively cheap too, usually around the £15-20k mark for a good un.
PPS Anybody up for it??
Alternatively, Chuck Ellsworth has mentioned a Beech 18 at North Weald which is up for sale.........
Aerobatic Flyer sounds like a neat wish list and yes, the aeroplane does have an unfortunate name
My personal preferance is the Broussard. Big round 450hp engine. Built like the proverbial outhouse, can live outside keeping hangarage fees down and can operate from short fields. Simple construction so easy to maintain. A tad challenging to handle (so I've been told) but then again so is an Auster and I can't get 6 bods in mine
PS they are relatively cheap too, usually around the £15-20k mark for a good un.
PPS Anybody up for it??
Alternatively, Chuck Ellsworth has mentioned a Beech 18 at North Weald which is up for sale.........
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If there were enough people I might be interested in the Broussard. There is possibly room at our strip ( new hangar), not sure if the the noise would put the kybosh on it.
I'm a neigbour of yours LNS
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I'm a neigbour of yours LNS
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Option 1 every time. Cheap to acquire, operate, insure, maintain. Great flying. Classy airplane looks. History. Plus IMHO, in a country the size of Britain cruising speed is not a major factor. You could fly from Land's End to John O Groats in a Cub in a day.
