Advice for Expired EASA Licence
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Advice for Expired EASA Licence
Hi All,
I am after a little advice regarding my expired EASA PPL. I have around 160 hours, 100 solo and 60 dual, with night rating, passed my ATPL Theory under JAA in 2007 (and wasted it), converted my licence to EASA when we had to and haven't flown since 2016.
My licence and Class 2 medical are now expired. I have recently been toying with the idea of renewing it as the bug won't ever leave me
However, I was never bothered about long distance trips, land aways etc. Most of my flights were under an hour. I have about 10 hours in an Arrow but other than that it was a mixture of fixed gear 172, 152, PA28 and TB10. I have looked back in my Logbook and it appears although I gained my Licence when I was younger with bigger plans, in reality all the flying since could possibly have been done on a lower licence, such as the NPPL.
From the cost perspective, medicals (I'm now 45) and the currency and expiry point of view, I have been thinking of obtaining my LAPL to continue my flying. I'm going to have to do a skills test anyway I guess.
Can anyone throw any light on how easy this may be to do? I would prefer to keep my EASA PPL even in its dormant state should I ever have the elusive lottery win, My wife has family in Europe. Would my hours logged, exams and everything I've done in the past credit me for an LAPL? I realise there would be retraining but would they need more theroetical knowledge? Would I be able to keep the 2 side by side or would it remain an expired EASA PPL with UK LAPL privileges or would the CAA want to convert it?
If anyone could help with a possible route it would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
I am after a little advice regarding my expired EASA PPL. I have around 160 hours, 100 solo and 60 dual, with night rating, passed my ATPL Theory under JAA in 2007 (and wasted it), converted my licence to EASA when we had to and haven't flown since 2016.
My licence and Class 2 medical are now expired. I have recently been toying with the idea of renewing it as the bug won't ever leave me
However, I was never bothered about long distance trips, land aways etc. Most of my flights were under an hour. I have about 10 hours in an Arrow but other than that it was a mixture of fixed gear 172, 152, PA28 and TB10. I have looked back in my Logbook and it appears although I gained my Licence when I was younger with bigger plans, in reality all the flying since could possibly have been done on a lower licence, such as the NPPL.
From the cost perspective, medicals (I'm now 45) and the currency and expiry point of view, I have been thinking of obtaining my LAPL to continue my flying. I'm going to have to do a skills test anyway I guess.
Can anyone throw any light on how easy this may be to do? I would prefer to keep my EASA PPL even in its dormant state should I ever have the elusive lottery win, My wife has family in Europe. Would my hours logged, exams and everything I've done in the past credit me for an LAPL? I realise there would be retraining but would they need more theroetical knowledge? Would I be able to keep the 2 side by side or would it remain an expired EASA PPL with UK LAPL privileges or would the CAA want to convert it?
If anyone could help with a possible route it would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
You no longer have an EASA PPL, as the UK left EASA since you got it, and you didn't transfer it to another EASA country. So what you have is a lapsed UK-FCL PPL(A). Ignore what it says on the front of the licence!
With training as required and a skill test, you can renew that as soon as you want - pretty much any UK flying school can do that for you. You will want a class 2 medical first ,but then you can let that lapse back to a LAPL medical if you only want and need LAPL privileges, but at any point it becomes a full PPL again just by renewing a class 2 medical.
You can fly a G-reg aeroplane on PPL privileges anywhere in the world, you can't automatically do so on a LAPL or with only the LAPL medical, because it's a sub-ICAO licence.
With training as required and a skill test, you can renew that as soon as you want - pretty much any UK flying school can do that for you. You will want a class 2 medical first ,but then you can let that lapse back to a LAPL medical if you only want and need LAPL privileges, but at any point it becomes a full PPL again just by renewing a class 2 medical.
You can fly a G-reg aeroplane on PPL privileges anywhere in the world, you can't automatically do so on a LAPL or with only the LAPL medical, because it's a sub-ICAO licence.
EASA licences, now UK Part-FCL Licences do not expire, they are issued for the lifetime of the holder. Only the ratings contained in the licence expire. You can renew these by training as required at a DTO or ATO and passing a Prof Check. As a licence holder you can then exercise the privileges using a PMD (Pilots Medical Declaration) in accordance with Article 162 No need for a Class 2 unless you wish to fly outside the UK. If you do wish to fly outside the UK you will need a copy of CAP2086 Confirmation of Validity to go with the licence.
Whopity is totally correct. Your licence is valid for life and you only need to renew your SEP Class Rating as he has explained.
One point to note is that the Part-FCL PPL(A) now includes LAPL(A) privileges and it is only the state of your medical which defines the level of privileges which you may exercise. For example, the validity of a Class 2 medical for someone over the age of 50 is 12 months, whereas the validity of the LAPL medical included in the certificate is 24 months. So if he/she doesn't revalidate his/her Class 2 at the 12 month point, he/she can continue to fly within LAPL restrictions until the 24 month point is reached, or the Class 2 is revalidated.
If you opt for a PMD rather than a Part-MED certificate, your PPL(A) will similarly be restricted to LAPL-level restrictions.
There's no mandatory flight time needed for your refresher flight training. Complete whatever the DTO/ATO recommends, then pass a Proficiency Check with an Examiner. If you haven't already done so, make sure that you have a Level 6 English assessment in your licence, which the Examiner can conduct when you do your Proficiency Check.
One point to note is that the Part-FCL PPL(A) now includes LAPL(A) privileges and it is only the state of your medical which defines the level of privileges which you may exercise. For example, the validity of a Class 2 medical for someone over the age of 50 is 12 months, whereas the validity of the LAPL medical included in the certificate is 24 months. So if he/she doesn't revalidate his/her Class 2 at the 12 month point, he/she can continue to fly within LAPL restrictions until the 24 month point is reached, or the Class 2 is revalidated.
If you opt for a PMD rather than a Part-MED certificate, your PPL(A) will similarly be restricted to LAPL-level restrictions.
There's no mandatory flight time needed for your refresher flight training. Complete whatever the DTO/ATO recommends, then pass a Proficiency Check with an Examiner. If you haven't already done so, make sure that you have a Level 6 English assessment in your licence, which the Examiner can conduct when you do your Proficiency Check.
