LAPL Medical for PPL Training/License Issue

[nearlyapilot]

I have been doing LAPL training and flying solo with a LAPL medical, I am considering changing to PPL and it seems that I eventually will be able to fly with a PPL on a LAPL medical. However can I do the skills test and get issues with PPL with a LAPL medical or do I need a class 2?

Obviously I should have got the Class 2 in the beginning but it seems crazy that the CAA would insist on me getting a Class 2 medical just to get the license (it would only last a year) and then flying with LAPL privileges.

If my solo flying and skills test and future flying are all on a C62 for example, why would I ever need a class 2?

I've tried to find some accurate wording in EASA/CAP documents but I am not able to find exactly where it says if I can or can't continue with LAPL medical?

[MrAverage]

With the current regulations, LAPL training cannot be used towards any of that required for the initial PPL. How many hours have you done so far?

[nearlyapilot]

Originally Posted by MrAverage

With the current regulations, LAPL training cannot be used towards any of that required for the initial PPL. How many hours have you done so far?

About 30ish hours, I thought if the instructor could teach both PPL and LAPL then the course could be changed?

[BillieBob]

From CAA TrainingCom Spring 2020:

Although, it is accepted that there are similarities between the LAPL and PPL syllabi, an applicant who has commenced a LAPL course must complete this course and Skill Test before commencing the course for the PPL

[Fl1ingfrog]

All parts of the LAPL are identical to the same parts in the PPL. The differences are additional elements required for the PPL. Have a quite word with your instructor as you may find he/she has indeed been teaching you for the PPL (hint) but is yet to include those elements unique to the full PPL course. This has led to your misunderstanding (sic).

[TheOddOne]

I think the crunch comes with the medical required for the 1st solo. If this is done using a LAPL medical, then you're sealed in to the LAPL course. Get a Class 2 before 1st solo, you're good to go. I always advise our students to get a Class 2 early on in the process, i.e. about 3rd or 4th lesson. If they find there are medical restrictions that restrict them to a LAPL and they're content with that, then OK, we'll do the LAPL course. Actually, the one or two that's happened to, we've steered towards the NPPL(M) on the Ikarus C42, on a PMD.
Sadly, the OP no longer has the option, but must complete the LAPL course, then do the conversion, if they actually want a PPL.
My advice, complete the LAPL course, do the post licence issue flying required, then consider if, after all, you've got everything you need to enjoy your flying. I think for many PPLs in our Club, for instance, a LAPL would suit their needs.
TOO

[rarelyathome]

Originally Posted by Fl1ingfrog

All parts of the LAPL are identical to the same parts in the PPL. The differences are additional elements required for the PPL. Have a quite word with your instructor as you may find he/she has indeed been teaching you for the PPL (hint) but is yet to include those elements unique to the full PPL course. This has led to your misunderstanding (sic).

I couldn’t condone your advice. But even if I could, it could only apply if the FI doesn’t have the ‘LAPL Only’ restriction.

[Whopity]

I think the crunch comes with the medical required for the 1st solo. If this is done using a LAPL medical, then you're sealed in to the LAPL course.

Show me a regulation that states this!

[nearlyapilot]

I have confirmed with the CAA that I can complete a full PPL course including all solo flights and even the skills test using a LAPL medical. They have advised that I need a PPL medical purely to be issued with a PPL. After its issued, I can of course fly on the LAPL medical. I haven't asked for any further explanation from CAA as it just seemed easier to obtain a Class 2 medical which I now have...

[Fl1ingfrog]

Show me a regulation that states this!​​​​

Quite.

....... an applicant who has commenced a LAPL course must complete this course and Skill Test before commencing the course for the PPL

EASA too often was influenced by a bunch of control freaks. Other than with a few exceptions the LAPL exercises and numbers are identical to the PPL. The order that the PPL exercises are conducted is not prescribed and it will be normal for an instructor to adapt to the student and of course the suitability of the weather on the day. There is no way by reference to a student log book or indeed the training record that you can identify between a LAPL or a PPL course save the completed content and compliance.

[Whopity]

FF totally agree

an applicant who has commenced a LAPL course must complete this course and Skill Test before commencing the course for the PPL

This relates solely to the FI(LAPL). Apart from the name in the log book you can't determine what training was given and so long as you have 45 hours given by a FI who is not so restricted then any failure to issue a licence would be a good candidate for a Reg 6 appeal. All this has come about because the early FI(LAPL) holders didn't have the restriction written in their licence and of course some have conducted PPL training regardless.