IR re-validate - use of autopilot
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From: Durham
Used the autopilot briefly on a revalidation and my examiner queried this and said "Well, whilst you have engaged it - let's see a stall recovery on it"
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From: Canada
All available technology on the airplane should be used appropriately, Proper use of an autopilot significantly increases the safety of single pilot IFR flight.
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From: Hong Kong
Assuming it's a basic alt hold function... Power idle, wait for the stall then disconnect and recover? Hardly making your life harder is it?
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From: London
Did mine this week and examiner was happy I use it in the cruise. Had to go to hand flying before I entered the hold and for both approaches obviously. Might be worth stating in the departure brief 'I will utilise the autopilot in the cruise' just so there's no surprises.
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From: Canada
For the instrument rating flight test in Canada, the autopilot comes on after takeoff and flies the SID, the STAR, the approach, the missed approach, the hold, and then the final approach is usually done without the autopilot.
Assuming your autopilot will do all that. Mine does so that's what we do.
Assuming your autopilot will do all that. Mine does so that's what we do.
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From: Lost again...
My renewals over the last few years have all been - "Use the autopilot as you normally would and I will tell you as and when i wish you to disengaged it"
I reality this usually means cruise and setup on AP then approach, go around and unusual position recovery without AP. (Although Unusual Position recovery may involve disengaging the AP if it was engaged when the upset was simulated - or indeed if the examiner used the AP to generate the upset).
Fortunately the CAA have moved on from the dark days of "You can't use it at all".
I reality this usually means cruise and setup on AP then approach, go around and unusual position recovery without AP. (Although Unusual Position recovery may involve disengaging the AP if it was engaged when the upset was simulated - or indeed if the examiner used the AP to generate the upset).
Fortunately the CAA have moved on from the dark days of "You can't use it at all".
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From: UK
The UK sets out the limitations of autopilot use during revalidation/renewal IRTs in Standards Document 14. It can be used in any mode throughout the flight except:
1. For the 3D approach (although the flight director may be used)
2. During the airwork
3. Any time when asymmetric, if the autopilot is not cleared for use in asymmetric flight.
The rules for EASA-land are less clear but there are some hints in FCL Appendix 6 and Appendix 9 as well as the new Flight Examiners' Manual.
1. Use of automatics should be discussed as part of the initial IR briefing.
2. For revalidation/renewal it says '3D operations to DA (autopilot may be used to GS/GP intercept)' and it also requires that use of the autopilot (if fitted) is tested, and states that this may be done in Section 3 (the IR section).
No idea of rules in USA or Canada.
1. For the 3D approach (although the flight director may be used)
2. During the airwork
3. Any time when asymmetric, if the autopilot is not cleared for use in asymmetric flight.
The rules for EASA-land are less clear but there are some hints in FCL Appendix 6 and Appendix 9 as well as the new Flight Examiners' Manual.
1. Use of automatics should be discussed as part of the initial IR briefing.
2. For revalidation/renewal it says '3D operations to DA (autopilot may be used to GS/GP intercept)' and it also requires that use of the autopilot (if fitted) is tested, and states that this may be done in Section 3 (the IR section).
No idea of rules in USA or Canada.
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From: Canada
From the Transport Canada Instrument Rating Flight test guide (TP9939)
The Instrument Proficiency Check requires the examiner set up the aircraft in an unusual attitude and then when commanded, the candidate must recover using the flight instruments. The last one I did was in an airplane with the new Garmin G600 autopilot. It has a "level" button which when pressed will engage the autopilot, if it is not on, and then automatically return the airplane to straight and level, so that is what the candidate did when I told him to recover, which kind of took the fun out of the exercise from my POV...
The candidate is encouraged to utilize an installed autopilot and/or flight management system (FMS) during the instrument flight test to assist in the management of the aircraft.
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From: Germany
For my initial and subsequent proficiency checks I used the AP during SID, cruise, holds non-precision approach and when going missed, only flew manually for the airwork and 3D-approaches. The only exemption was when I had to use an old PA28 with an AP I did not trust. I preferred handflying on that one.
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From: South West
The UK sets out the limitations of autopilot use during revalidation/renewal IRTs in Standards Document 14. It can be used in any mode throughout the flight except:
1. For the 3D approach (although the flight director may be used)
2. During the airwork
3. Any time when asymmetric, if the autopilot is not cleared for use in asymmetric flight.
1. For the 3D approach (although the flight director may be used)
2. During the airwork
3. Any time when asymmetric, if the autopilot is not cleared for use in asymmetric flight.
