Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Non-Airline Forums > Private Flying
Reload this Page >

drone dodging proposal

Wikiposts
Search
Private Flying LAA/BMAA/BGA/BPA The sheer pleasure of flight.

drone dodging proposal

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 13th Jul 2021, 19:23
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Moray,Scotland,U.K.
Posts: 1,781
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
That's new to me too. And what are the definitions of "Road" and "Waterway used"? I think "Navigable Waterway" might have a definition in law.
Maoraigh1 is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2021, 19:33
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bressuire
Posts: 826
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Apologies for wandering off topic, but is this correct - this definition of a structure wasn't covered in the Air Law I did recently
The definition was established in the high court when the CAA prosecuted the kind and very popular instructor/examiner Eric Thurston, flying from Stapleford Tawney He was found not guilty. Eric was conducting a PPL Skill test. There is no definition in the ANO on what constitutes a 'structure'.

The judge however decided to define, although not central to the case, that which he considered too vague, and to be of assistance for the future. A road is a structure there for the purpose of conveying people and therefore it is not unexpected to find people and vehicles, so no defence. A waterway in some cases is the same. If you fly within 500ft of a person or vessel in a busy estuary or river when it is known to be used by people, such as a pleasure boat even at the last minute then there can be no defence. If I remember it correctly he also clarified: should the flight be crossing a field of crops then it could be a defence, should a romantic young couple pop up unexpectedly from amongst the crop. It is reasonable to expect the field of crop to be normally free of people. He did not consider that the fencing surrounding a field counted as a structure for this purpose.

Last edited by Fl1ingfrog; 13th Jul 2021 at 20:02.
Fl1ingfrog is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2021, 19:45
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: 50+ north
Posts: 1,254
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Apologies for wandering off topic, but is this correct - this definition of a structure wasn't covered in the Air Law I did recently
And so also is a runway if for some reason its not legal to land on it.
TCAS FAN is offline  
Old 14th Jul 2021, 18:45
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Moray,Scotland,U.K.
Posts: 1,781
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
People, vehicles, boats I have always understood to be subject to the 500' rule. Roads, fences, water, pot buoys, I regard as not subject. It's the pilots responsibility to ensure people, vehicles, boats, and any other possible items are not present when flying low other than when taking-off or landing.
No change to Airlaw by the Judge's determination.
PS. I assume the Court was high enough for decisions to be quoted by other English courts. But even so, they would be unlikely to affect the interpretation by a Scottish Court, although Aviation is reserved to Westminster.
Maoraigh1 is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2023, 08:32
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Moray,Scotland,U.K.
Posts: 1,781
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
BT signs deal to create world's largest drone super-highway in the UK https://mol.im/a/11599891 via https://dailym.ai/android
Maoraigh1 is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2023, 08:00
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,509
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Probably wouldn’t get to carried away with them drone delivery’s. Once a few drones turn up at peoples door step with a bomb of a litre of Molotov cocktail that will probably be the end of drone delivery’s…
Flying Binghi is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2023, 19:41
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Moray,Scotland,U.K.
Posts: 1,781
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
"Probably wouldn’t get to carried away with them drone delivery’s. Once a few drones turn up at peoples door step with a bomb of a litre of Molotov cocktail that will probably be the end of drone delivery"
Car bombing campaigns had no effect on the use of cars for transport in the UK. I can see drones being a delivery solution in the near future.

Last edited by Saab Dastard; 12th Jan 2023 at 16:30. Reason: Edited to keep on topic
Maoraigh1 is offline  
Old 11th Jan 2023, 08:28
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Moray,Scotland,U.K.
Posts: 1,781
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
From ANN:
Walmart Begins Drone Delivery Across US | Aero-News Network
Maoraigh1 is offline  
Old 12th Jan 2023, 05:50
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
Age: 74
Posts: 1,684
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
I'm pleased to see a prosecution of a drone operator who was found to be flying dangerously close to a BBMF Hurricane. This needs publicising more on the 6 o'clock news.
TOO

Last edited by Saab Dastard; 12th Jan 2023 at 16:30. Reason: Edited to keep on topic
TheOddOne is offline  
Old 12th Jan 2023, 22:57
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,509
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by Maoraigh1
Car bombing campaigns had no effect on the use of cars for transport in the UK. I can see drones being a delivery solution in the near future.
We know who did the car bombs. Will we know who does the drone bombs ? Will we know who hacks the drone and makes it fly at 100 miles an hour straight at you ?

Doubtful… then how will it be stopped… ground all small drones perhaps…

Flying Binghi is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.