Medical declaration
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Medical declaration
Does anyone know if the CAA are planning to extend the validity of using a medical declaration to fly an easa certified aircaft (in the UK only) if you hold an EASA PPL / LAPL ?
It seems very inconsistent that you can fly an RV or other annex 2 aircraft with an EASA PPL / LAPL and medical declaration but not a Cessna 150.
It seems very inconsistent that you can fly an RV or other annex 2 aircraft with an EASA PPL / LAPL and medical declaration but not a Cessna 150.
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Like this you mean? https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalap...detail&id=8704
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Thanks for the link.
Unfortunately para 3 ii of ORS4 No 1238 excludes anyone who has not previously held a medical declaration. In other words, if you currently have a lapl or class 2 medical, you can not move on to a medical declaration when the medical expires and fly an EASA aircraft in the UK using an EASA PPL /LAPL.
I presume the CAA will re issue ORS4 No 1283 (or something similar) in April 2020. It would be great if they deleted para 3 ii in the process.
Thanks for the link.
Unfortunately para 3 ii of ORS4 No 1238 excludes anyone who has not previously held a medical declaration. In other words, if you currently have a lapl or class 2 medical, you can not move on to a medical declaration when the medical expires and fly an EASA aircraft in the UK using an EASA PPL /LAPL.
I presume the CAA will re issue ORS4 No 1283 (or something similar) in April 2020. It would be great if they deleted para 3 ii in the process.
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Para 3 (ii) is to make clear that you must not fly with the intention of making a declaration at a later date. You must first complete the medical declaration form online and have submitted it before you fly. Subsequently, whenever you fly the conditions of the declaration must continue to remain valid. Simply that.
Para 3 (ii) is to make clear that you must not fly with the intention of making a declaration at a later date. You must first complete the medical declaration form online and have submitted it before you fly. Subsequently, whenever you fly the conditions of the declaration must continue to remain valid. Simply that.
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Your interpretation is that the word "previously" in para 3ii refers to the carrying out a flight. It might refer to the issue of ORS4 1283.
It would be great if your interpretation was correct and could withstand legal challenge.
Your interpretation is that the word "previously" in para 3ii refers to the carrying out a flight. It might refer to the issue of ORS4 1283.
It would be great if your interpretation was correct and could withstand legal challenge.
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The CAA confirmed that 'previously' simply means that a pilot intending to fly using a PMD must not do so unless he/she has submitted a declaration beforehand.
It's just clumsy legal-weasel wording which has caused the confusion.
1. An RV is an Annex 1(c) aeroplane.
2. G-reg EASA aircraft such as the Cessna 150 may currently be flown by pilots holding Part-FCL licences (under VFR within UK airspace) using a PMD until Apr 2020.
It's just clumsy legal-weasel wording which has caused the confusion.
It seems very inconsistent that you can fly an RV or other annex 2 aircraft with an EASA PPL / LAPL and medical declaration but not a Cessna 150
2. G-reg EASA aircraft such as the Cessna 150 may currently be flown by pilots holding Part-FCL licences (under VFR within UK airspace) using a PMD until Apr 2020.
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BEagle
Thanks for your clarification.
It would be very helpfull if the CAA could update their site on medical requirements. I am sure there must be other people that also find it ambiguous.
Thanks for your clarification.
It would be very helpfull if the CAA could update their site on medical requirements. I am sure there must be other people that also find it ambiguous.
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I take it this: https://www.caa.co.uk/General-Aviati...rivate-pilots/ is out of date currently given General Exemption E 4764 referenced above?
My Class 2 expired in July last year, and I've not had time to fly since but I'm looking at getting back in the saddle. I'd be up for the full gamut this time around and as I'm over 40 that puts me on 24 months expiry.
If I just want to fly a C172, VFR, on my EASA PPL(A) - I can now self certify - yes?
I'd rather save the couple of hundred quid every 2 years and spend it on flying!
My Class 2 expired in July last year, and I've not had time to fly since but I'm looking at getting back in the saddle. I'd be up for the full gamut this time around and as I'm over 40 that puts me on 24 months expiry.
If I just want to fly a C172, VFR, on my EASA PPL(A) - I can now self certify - yes?
I'd rather save the couple of hundred quid every 2 years and spend it on flying!
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The CAA confirmed that 'previously' simply means that a pilot intending to fly using a PMD must not do so unless he/she has submitted a declaration beforehand.
It's just clumsy legal-weasel wording which has caused the confusion.
1. An RV is an Annex 1(c) aeroplane.
2. G-reg EASA aircraft such as the Cessna 150 may currently be flown by pilots holding Part-FCL licences (under VFR within UK airspace) using a PMD until Apr 2020.
It's just clumsy legal-weasel wording which has caused the confusion.
1. An RV is an Annex 1(c) aeroplane.
2. G-reg EASA aircraft such as the Cessna 150 may currently be flown by pilots holding Part-FCL licences (under VFR within UK airspace) using a PMD until Apr 2020.
Do you simply complete the non-EASA one?
In the previous T&C page, it states: There is an exemption from Commission Regulation (EU) No. 1178/2011 that allows UK national licence holders to fly certain EASA aircraft until April 2018. Details are contained in CAP1441 ‘PPL Licence Privileges, Type of Aircraft to be Flown and Medical Requirements Table’ which I guess alludes to being able to do it, but you can't actually select it on the declaration itself?
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Just complete the non EASA one. The CAA never updated the declaration form after issue of the exemption to permit use of EASA aircraft.
You can simply rely on the exemption until 8th April 2020 when we all hope it will be renewed.
The exemption can be used with either U.K. or EASA licences
The exemption is here.
https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/1283..pdf
You can simply rely on the exemption until 8th April 2020 when we all hope it will be renewed.
The exemption can be used with either U.K. or EASA licences
The exemption is here.
https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/1283..pdf
