What is PPR all about?
Official PPRuNe Chaplain
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From: Witnesham, Suffolk
Englishal - interesting, that! My old flight guide had the telephone number for pre-takeoff PPR for the Channel Islands airfields.
The current Bottlang doesn't. I checked the AIP, and it seems that the requirement for PPR by phone to fly VFR to Alderney, Guernsey or Jersey has gone away.
Still needs the "Request SVFR clearance CI zone" in the box on the flight plan, though.
The current Bottlang doesn't. I checked the AIP, and it seems that the requirement for PPR by phone to fly VFR to Alderney, Guernsey or Jersey has gone away.
Still needs the "Request SVFR clearance CI zone" in the box on the flight plan, though.
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Chili - agree 100% about booking out....so how come Manchester International is book out by R/T??
Serious question. I used to fly from MIA and it used to be telephone book out - there was a particularly handy telephone in the toilets of Northern Executive (never did figure that out either) - then it went to mandatory R/T bookout.
Serious question. I used to fly from MIA and it used to be telephone book out - there was a particularly handy telephone in the toilets of Northern Executive (never did figure that out either) - then it went to mandatory R/T bookout.
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so how come Manchester International is book out by R/T??
(A look at Bottlang shows that they both have their own frequency - sounds like you might be confusing this with the comments raised in the thread).CM
I say there boy
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I'm not sure why everyone is getting so hot under the collar about PPR and booking out.
Firstly PPR. Surely it is good airmanship to find out all you can about a planned destination? IMHO this includes giving them a phone call first to find out local information. This is all the more important at smaller fields that don't provide weather and NOTAMs to the AFTN. As has been pointed out, the smaller fields may sometimes be clinging on the existance by their finger nails so anything that allows them to keep the local NIMBYs quiet is good.
In my experience the airfields that don't require PPR tend to be the larger fields outside controlled airspace - since they provide weather and NOTAMs and usually have well-published procedures.
As booking out goes, many places I've visited accept booking out on the RT as a part of your first call. The others that don't have booked me out with payment of the landing/parking fees. My understanding was that this is mainly for the movements book - and for emergency situations so your intentions can be traced.
Finally, booking out of CTRs - out of the three foreign countries that I have flown in, two require full ICAO flight plans to be filed one hour before all flights from airports within CTRs (the Netherlands and South Africa). Here in the UK it's fairly normal to be able to book out verbally by internal telephone or R/T with a very abbreviated flight plan just before departing - a much less onerous requriement. This is simply because under ICAO it is a requirement to submit a flight plan and get an ATC clearance to fly VFR in >= class D airspace. The UK interprets this recommendation leniently by allowing the abbreviated flightplans passed during booking out to be acceptable for the purposes of a VFR clearance. Some other countries don't!
cheers!
foggy.
Firstly PPR. Surely it is good airmanship to find out all you can about a planned destination? IMHO this includes giving them a phone call first to find out local information. This is all the more important at smaller fields that don't provide weather and NOTAMs to the AFTN. As has been pointed out, the smaller fields may sometimes be clinging on the existance by their finger nails so anything that allows them to keep the local NIMBYs quiet is good.
In my experience the airfields that don't require PPR tend to be the larger fields outside controlled airspace - since they provide weather and NOTAMs and usually have well-published procedures.
As booking out goes, many places I've visited accept booking out on the RT as a part of your first call. The others that don't have booked me out with payment of the landing/parking fees. My understanding was that this is mainly for the movements book - and for emergency situations so your intentions can be traced.
Finally, booking out of CTRs - out of the three foreign countries that I have flown in, two require full ICAO flight plans to be filed one hour before all flights from airports within CTRs (the Netherlands and South Africa). Here in the UK it's fairly normal to be able to book out verbally by internal telephone or R/T with a very abbreviated flight plan just before departing - a much less onerous requriement. This is simply because under ICAO it is a requirement to submit a flight plan and get an ATC clearance to fly VFR in >= class D airspace. The UK interprets this recommendation leniently by allowing the abbreviated flightplans passed during booking out to be acceptable for the purposes of a VFR clearance. Some other countries don't!
cheers!
foggy.
