Exeter ACP
Joined: Feb 2010
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From: Wandsworth
Fantastic news and particularly well done to the folks from the British Gliding Association, GA Alliance, LAA, Devon and Somerset Gliding Club, Dunkeswell and countless others who rose to the challenge and continue doing so in fighting for fair and reasonable airspace use for all.
Wouldn't want to have been in the meeting room in the last 24 hours between Exeter Airport and their so called "experts" Osprey Consulting.
Wouldn't want to have been in the meeting room in the last 24 hours between Exeter Airport and their so called "experts" Osprey Consulting.
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: 52N
Excellent news, the CAA deserve our support in having been fair and equitable in considering the needs of all airspace users.
Osprey Consulting are clearly in the business of making ACP applications for as many clients as they can find and are probably touting for business actively. Where next? Biggin Hill, Newquay, Shoreham, Lydd? I wonder if the CAA charge for these applications, if not we are paying for them.
Osprey Consulting are clearly in the business of making ACP applications for as many clients as they can find and are probably touting for business actively. Where next? Biggin Hill, Newquay, Shoreham, Lydd? I wonder if the CAA charge for these applications, if not we are paying for them.
Joined: Jan 2016
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From: Uk
It’s not uncommon for organisations to ask for much more than they want, in the certain knowledge that it will be cut back.
Take housing as a classic example. Ask permission for 10,000 house when you really only want to build 1000. The objectors then this as a success when the 10,000 is reduced to 1,000!
Southend went through a similar process and their application was eventually allowed, but reduced in size.
Is Exeter similar?
Joined: Apr 2001
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From: Sometimes north, sometimes south
Excellent news, the CAA deserve our support in having been fair and equitable in considering the needs of all airspace users.
Osprey Consulting are clearly in the business of making ACP applications for as many clients as they can find and are probably touting for business actively. Where next? Biggin Hill, Newquay, Shoreham, Lydd? I wonder if the CAA charge for these applications, if not we are paying for them.
Osprey Consulting are clearly in the business of making ACP applications for as many clients as they can find and are probably touting for business actively. Where next? Biggin Hill, Newquay, Shoreham, Lydd? I wonder if the CAA charge for these applications, if not we are paying for them.
And, no, I don't work for Osprey
Joined: Feb 2007
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From: GLASGOW
Looking at Osprey consulting website they appear a large and professional outfit. Looking at their latest financials, mmmmmmmm. I sincerely hope that the Exeter deal was on a confirmed fee basis regardless of outcome. I too find the strategy used here a bit obtuse. Transparent communication is the first building block of any change process.
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: southern England
No, that's management bolloxpeak. Transparent communication is NEVER part of a change process. The absolute reverse is always true.
Just look at the DFT review into the strategic importance of airfields which will lead to them all being turned into housing if they cannot support international bizjet operations.
Just look at the DFT review into the strategic importance of airfields which will lead to them all being turned into housing if they cannot support international bizjet operations.
Joined: Jul 2008
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From: Only occasionally above FL50
I don't think transparent communication was significant in Southend, Norwich or Doncaster getting their class D. But I sense that the wind has changed. The Farnborough decision will show if I'm right..
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From: Dorset
I’m based at Exeter. Very interesting decision..
While I am very much against grabs for CAS and have been scared to death with some close calls in the corridors that they create (M3 in particular) and also last week with a glider going directly across Gloucesters glide slope while I’m descending down it in IMC, I can understand why Exeter wanted the protection. Maybe a much smaller proposal to allow CAT to ascend to the overhead airway would have been more proportionate and potentially approved.
It is down to GA to do their bit - use your transponder, speak to the airport (Exeter’s ILS is clearly shown on the chart) and don’t blindly bimble across.. fairweather bimblers who don’t plan and cause airliner diverts will ruin things for all of us..
While I am very much against grabs for CAS and have been scared to death with some close calls in the corridors that they create (M3 in particular) and also last week with a glider going directly across Gloucesters glide slope while I’m descending down it in IMC, I can understand why Exeter wanted the protection. Maybe a much smaller proposal to allow CAT to ascend to the overhead airway would have been more proportionate and potentially approved.
It is down to GA to do their bit - use your transponder, speak to the airport (Exeter’s ILS is clearly shown on the chart) and don’t blindly bimble across.. fairweather bimblers who don’t plan and cause airliner diverts will ruin things for all of us..
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From: Unna, Germany
I’m based at Exeter. Very interesting decision..
While I am very much against grabs for CAS and have been scared to death with some close calls in the corridors that they create (M3 in particular) and also last week with a glider going directly across Gloucesters glide slope while I’m descending down it in IMC, I can understand why Exeter wanted the protection. Maybe a much smaller proposal to allow CAT to ascend to the overhead airway would have been more proportionate and potentially approved.
It is down to GA to do their bit - use your transponder, speak to the airport (Exeter’s ILS is clearly shown on the chart) and don’t blindly bimble across.. fairweather bimblers who don’t plan and cause airliner diverts will ruin things for all of us..
While I am very much against grabs for CAS and have been scared to death with some close calls in the corridors that they create (M3 in particular) and also last week with a glider going directly across Gloucesters glide slope while I’m descending down it in IMC, I can understand why Exeter wanted the protection. Maybe a much smaller proposal to allow CAT to ascend to the overhead airway would have been more proportionate and potentially approved.
It is down to GA to do their bit - use your transponder, speak to the airport (Exeter’s ILS is clearly shown on the chart) and don’t blindly bimble across.. fairweather bimblers who don’t plan and cause airliner diverts will ruin things for all of us..
'Fabulous news for those of us in the far South-West, for whom it would have cut the country in half.'
explains clearly the view that controlled airspace is being used to prevent access, not to control access.
Dilly dilly, I'm off to take my personal tour of the pit of misery....
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: 51.50N 1W (ish)
last week with a glider going directly across Gloucesters glide slope while I’m descending down it in IMC, I can understand why Exeter wanted the protection
Your anecdote is interesting - assuming you were within 10 miles of the runway that puts you below 3,000ft. How low was cloudbase for you to be in IMC? Or did you mean flying IFR in Class G in VMC ?
