Flying amphib without seaplane rating...
Flying amphib without seaplane rating...
Possible if only land arrivals (airports) are used?
Thought I saw a thread on this before, but cannot find it now...
Thanks, Sam.
Thought I saw a thread on this before, but cannot find it now...
Thanks, Sam.
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Well, you'd need training in making sure the gear was down ... but landing wheels up on land is considerably less likely to be fatal than landing wheels down on water?
Having got a seaplane rating I have decided never to fly an amphibian.
Having got a seaplane rating I have decided never to fly an amphibian.
Um, not sure that's entirely helpful?! :-)
Clearly the gear needs to be operated correctly - my question is about the legality of it. If not using the amphib capability, do you need the amphib rating...?
Clearly the gear needs to be operated correctly - my question is about the legality of it. If not using the amphib capability, do you need the amphib rating...?
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are you under EASA/FAA/Other? generally this is a grey area, at least in EASA world. I think the key is in the SEP (Sea) rating description - To act as PIC during water operations of a SEP seaplane. There is absolutely nothing about this on EASA web site, it's as if the rating doesn't exist. I interpret this as - if you are sticking with dry ground landings /take offs you are absolutely fine.
However, whenever in doubt contact your local authority.
However, whenever in doubt contact your local authority.
Have flown a Lake Buccaneer in the UK on a non-amphib licence without any questions being asked. Never put it down on water apart from flying low level across the Channel in bad weather when the water got a bit close.
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If the aircraft insurer is willing to insure you "land only", you're probably fine without the "sea" rating.
Landing gear typically will have no warning horn for position, so the discipline is: twice, upon visually checking before landing, spoken aloud (so your pax know that you did), either: "wheels are down for landing on land" or "wheels are up for landing on the water". Failure to speak this twice (downwind and turning final) while training with me will result in a very late, and annoying call to go around - just to make the omission memorable.
If flying floatplane amphibs, remind yourself that the flare height is different, and the higher C of G makes them vulnerable to crosswinds, or rollover if a fast taxi turn is attempted.
Though the "sea" rating covers planes that float, flying boat and floatplane handling are very different to each other, so training on one type will not equate to competence on the other.
Landing gear typically will have no warning horn for position, so the discipline is: twice, upon visually checking before landing, spoken aloud (so your pax know that you did), either: "wheels are down for landing on land" or "wheels are up for landing on the water". Failure to speak this twice (downwind and turning final) while training with me will result in a very late, and annoying call to go around - just to make the omission memorable.
If flying floatplane amphibs, remind yourself that the flare height is different, and the higher C of G makes them vulnerable to crosswinds, or rollover if a fast taxi turn is attempted.
Though the "sea" rating covers planes that float, flying boat and floatplane handling are very different to each other, so training on one type will not equate to competence on the other.
