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Old 21st Dec 2017, 17:50
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Uber has been deemed a ‘transport service’ by the European Court of Justice and not, as it previously argued, a digital service – a move that could have big implications for the way the company operates.The ride hailing company has previously argued it merely provides a digital service to connect passengers and drivers and so is not, in the classical sense, a transport company. But EU judges disagreed, ruling that Uber’s “main component is a transport service”.

Sounds familiar, any groans from the cheap seats?

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Old 21st Dec 2017, 18:40
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so much for the "this has run its course" brigade... watch this space
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Old 21st Dec 2017, 20:03
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Wingly sells flight tickets to the public for flights with non professional pilots using their own vehicle - after the flight Wingly pays the pilot after deducting a fee

The above is almost word for word to that in the judgement against Uber.

In addition, Wingly sells GIFT VOUCHERS to the public for flights with yet to be identified non professional pilots. The Gift voucher is sold to person X who gives it to person Y for a flight with pilot A - person Y has to that point probably never even thought of taking a flight in a light aircraft never mind "cost sharing".

My insurer says that due to the transactions taking place they believe it is a commercial flight. Forget cost sharing - this is about Wingly which is a profit making commercial enterprise who makes money, using private pilots, from selling flight tickets to the public.

I see 6 seat aircraft are now demanding a premium - saw a Wingly flight being advertised on a Cherokee six that was charging the equivalent of over £400 per hour - I don't know the six but .....
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Old 21st Dec 2017, 21:30
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well said GBS.
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Old 21st Dec 2017, 22:38
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@GBS

If some of the things you allege are happening, then I agree they are over the line.

As I have said repeatedly:

1. If people abuse a ride sharing site by offering illegal commercial flights, they should be prosecuted.

2. If the site itself knowingly facilitates such illegal activity, it should itself be prosecuted.


However that is very far from being grounds for banning a legitimate mechanism for the sharing of genuine cost sharing flights.

Do you agree with that, or do you want to ban all flights including genuine cost sharing arranged on one of these sites, or indeed by any other mechanism?


@MPX

Have you heard anything back from the CAA about the CA 393 complaint you said you had made?
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 13:48
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Originally Posted by Good Business Sense View Post
Wingly sells flight tickets to the public for flights with non professional pilots using their own vehicle - after the flight Wingly pays the pilot after deducting a fee

The above is almost word for word to that in the judgement against Uber.
I wouldn't get too excited, GBS. The judgement is that Uber "must be classified as Ďa service in the field of transportí within the meaning of Article 58(1) TFEU". Article 58 merely refers us to Title VI, whose final Article says:

Article 100
1. The provisions of this Title shall apply to transport by rail, road and inland waterway.
2. The European Parliament and the Council, acting in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure, may lay down appropriate provisions for sea and air transport. They shall act after consulting the Economic and Social Committee and the Committee of the Regions.


The European Parliament and the Council have done just that for air transport in the form of 216/2008 (the Basic Regulation), and the machinery that sits beneath has provided the legislative basis for the legitimate operation of flight sharing via internet platforms.
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