Dodgy or legit?

[Quake]

Originally Posted by IFly

Not sure you have grasped the concept of this Quake. It's the pilot who decides the destination and takes along chosen passengers to share the costs and fill vacant seats.

Of the 2 dozen or so passengers I have taken through this scheme, all have been a pure delight to have on board and fly with.

Oh I get it allright, problem is, does the customer (as this is how most will percieve themselves), when they get there and the pilot says sorry mate wx is no good? Perhaps you have been lucky so far with your clients and perhaps you are strong willed enough to resist a pushy yummy mummy who wants to met BF for a quicky, but that wont be the case every time.

[John R81]

Originally Posted by Quake

Perhaps you have been lucky so far with your clients and perhaps you are strong willed enough to resist a pushy yummy mummy who wants to met BF for a quicky, but that wont be the case every time.

What utter rubbish! That's not an argument against cost-sharing flights but an argument for rooting out inadequate "pilots".

You are the Commander on that flight, and its your responsibility. You can't shirk it, ignore it or blame someone else. Anyone who does not have the mental strength to make that decision EVERY TIME, regardless of pressure, please take of the fancy dress, hand back your license and get out of the driving seat before you kill yourself - and everyone else in the aircraft.

[IFly]

Thank you John R81, Unfortunately Quake thinks he gets it but he doesn't.

[memories of px]

This is air taxi , you need a commercial licence, you need an AOC, 1179, 1319,a professional licence,stop kidding yourself and trying to kid others, have you told your insurance company what youre doing?, have you told the airports insurance company what youre doing??

Originally Posted by IFly

Not sure you have grasped the concept of this Quake. It's the pilot who decides the destination and takes along chosen passengers to share the costs and fill vacant seats.

Of the 2 dozen or so passengers I have taken through this scheme, all have been a pure delight to have on board and fly with.

Thats just nonsense, the pilot doesnt go to a destination unless a passenger wants to go there first!, just look at the wingly booking system!

[Jonzarno]

Let’s be clear about this: the authorities have said, officially, that offering cost sharing on sites such as Wingly is perfectly legitimate in EASA land. The FAA has said that it is not.

What is not legitimate anywhere is abusing the system to run an air taxi business for commercial gain. If you have evidence that people are abusing the Wingly site to do that, please report them to the authorities.

[memories of px]

have you told your insurance company??????

[Jonzarno]

If that is directed at me: no, as I fly an N reg on an FAA licence, I don’t offer ride sharing myself on line due to the FAA pronouncement.

That said: I see nothing wrong with others doing so, as long as they obey the rules under which there is no reason to declare legitimate cost sharing which has been going on perfectly legally since long before the internet existed.

You seem to have reached the conclusion that all cost sharing is an illegal air taxi service: it isn’t. As I have said repeatedly in this thread: there is no place for that kind of illegal operation. But banning all cost sharing, whether arranged on line or not, is chucking the baby out with the bath water.

[memories of px]

What i object to is some PPL with 75 hrs, ONE hour on type, sitting there with his stripes, offering flights from blackbushe to fixed destinations at fixed prices, what a joke! The general public should be made aware of what theyre booking up, maybe the BBC's Watchdog should do a piece on it.

[Jonzarno]

That’s a reasonable opinion to hold.

Whilst the METHOD (i.e. internet) by which the flight is offered is legal, offering the flight as you describe may not be if it is seen by the authorities as offering an air taxi service. You obviously see it as both a regulatory and a safety issue, so why don’t you report it and see what happens?

Edit: this was in reply to the previous post and I have not seen the advertised flight myself.

[memories of px]

CA393 completed, i'll update when i hear anything.

[IFly]

Originally Posted by memories of px

This is air taxi , you need a commercial licence, you need an AOC, 1179, 1319,a professional licence,stop kidding yourself and trying to kid others, have you told your insurance company what youre doing?, have you told the airports insurance company what youre doing??



Thats just nonsense, the pilot doesnt go to a destination unless a passenger wants to go there first!, just look at the wingly booking system!

Your post is based on hypothesis. My post is based on experience. I have only posted flights and taken Wingly passengers when I have had spare seats for predetermined destinations of my choice. Yes, insurance company is aware.

[turbopropulsion]

https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=...&flight=288835

^^ This guy is even allowing patrons to take hold of the controls.

[memories of px]

Some other pilot mentions the costs are shared between the passengers! i also see on another post that he is unable to operate this service as Wingly flights have been banned at Elstree, common sense at last .

https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=...&flight=311886

[Good Business Sense]

Originally Posted by memories of px

i also see on another post that he is unable to operate this service as Wingly flights have been banned at Elstree, common sense at last .

https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=...&flight=311886

Does anybody know why?

[MrAverage]

And at Denham. Others will follow very quickly.


I banned them at our club as soon as I heard about them..............

Border Force and the Police most likely. Eventually they'll be limited to unlicensed airfields and farm strips.

[memories of px]

Originally Posted by Good Business Sense

Does anybody know why?

because a ppl shouldnt be doing " scenic flights" or "fear of flying " courses
or let a passenger take the controls, and a thousand other reasons.
Use a professional pilot.

[memories of px]

to what standard are the aircraft maintained to? Public Transport?, Permit to Fly? do the
passengers get to know?

[Prophead]

There is a guy in Norfolk that advertises on facebook for passengers to go flying.

I would be furious if I had a genuine business providing air taxi or scenic flights and had gone though all the hoops to be legit.

[memories of px]

fill in form CA393 and see if the caa can do anything

[robin]

Had a look at the website and can see some really low-time pilots with few hours after the PPL/LAPL course. Looks like they are using it for 'free' flying or hours building.

It is probably just legal, but....